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politicians spouse is mentioned in an article about the politician that does not make the spouse notable. In the same way if characters are mentioned in an article (or film or essay) about the tv series or other element of the tv series that does not make the character notable. Sources have emerged since the begining of the AfD which seem to mention the charcters in the context of the show, I was therefire only suggesting that it might be appropriate to move the information from the individual character articles into the article for the series. I still think the individual articles should be deleted as none of the information is sourced (or at least no sources are given on the pages) and nothing has been shown that establishes the notability of teh characters in their own right. Also I would seriously question whether a film made "by fans for fan" can truely be considered to be an independant source with the depth to establish notability. ]
1284:"As it is nobody has given a source about any of the characters mentioned - they have given the names of sources that are about the tv series" -- Rather inaccurate. I posted here three days ago that I had added a ref to the Inara article that dealt specifically with her. I also quoted another article that, from the Google Scholar excerpt, also seemed to be about specific characters, but I don't have access to the journal to verify that. So, please drop the "nobody has cited anything" argument, 'mkay? -- 56:, and I am using my discretion to note that there is no consensus within this debate on which to base such an opinion. The argument with most merit in this debate has been that of merging. I would suggest that interested parties work together to achieve a consensus on the best way to present that information best fitting with our purpose that is contained within these articles, as no consensus to delete it has formed as yet. See 995:
series and/or movies were still likely to be continued I would say individual character articles could be justified easily enough, but I just don't think there's enough verifiable, notable information to really warrant it. I do agree that Mal and River probably do warrant independent articles, I agree with the nominator's decision not to include them in this. ~
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I mentioned the other stuff was that in previous nominations people have tried to give the popularity of a series as evidence of notability of its characters (e.g. Harry Potter 300,000,000 books sold) and I thought by showing that the series had not been popular (canceled aftre 1 season, box office flop) those arguements might not be made. ]
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I think then the question is do these sources have the depth required to establish notability - or since articles should be based around the information gained from reliable, independent sources - could these sources (supplemented with information from primary sources) be the basis for the content of
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to WP to remove a well written article of a character that a user may be looking for information on. Is the article on Jayne Cobb (Firefly) getting in the way of Jayne Cobb (cricket player)? Please explain again how deleting this article will ease Knowledge's usability to the user. Perhaps there is a
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Sorry, I agree I did bog down the nomination with irelevant information (the tv show's and movie's lack of poularity) but I still feel the main point - which has still not really been adequately addressed - that the articles' lack any kind of reliable, independant sourcing was made clear. The reason
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I know the show and will admit that in terms of forming a small core of very dedicated fans it was successful. However in terms of broader appeal, longevity and comercial viability it was a failure - hence why it was cancelled after one season and not picked up by any other network and hence why the
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The movie made less money at the box office than it cost to make (about $ 39,000,000 compared to about $ 40,000,000) considering that theatres take a significant proportion of that (~40% ?) and the amount of money spent on publicity and advertising it is likely that the studio suffered a significant
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Well, there's hardly a platoon, only articles for its main points, significantly improving our coverage over what one article would be able to do. And here's another thing that's mentioned surprisingly seldomly: the significance of a subject does not necessarily scale with how much there is to say,
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I can't demand anything, this is a collaborative project. I have no problem if the same source deals with each character individually and in their own right. For instance having a chapter or an individual essay about the character (or characters) would be fine - having an essay or chapter about the
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of this show in any way relevant? It isn't. On the other hand, it's widespread success, perhaps not at the hands of Fox but otherwise, has been documented and is well known. It seems you feel the need to respond to every single "keep" but you don't, so stop, especially when it's simply to reiterate
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until someone has found and added significant amounts of reliable third-party information to establish individual notabilty. As this show has been cancelled several years now without having these articles establish their notability, it is unlikely that somehow editors will just start working on the
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Clearly, as someone who has read those essays, I would say yes. And I feel you should have called for citations before calling for AfD. But I'm also not going to spend a lot of time updating an article that might be deleted shortly after I put the work in. If the AfD fails, then I'll put the time
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Again to establish notability the source must be about the individual characters to justify an article. If the characters are only mentioned in the context of the series then the articles should be merged into the article for the series. If the cast as a whole is discussed then there should be an
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The comic books are clearly no an independant third party source - as required to establish notability. No one has provided any information from the other sources to say that they contain the relevant information to establish notability for the characters. I would also question the indepenence of
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or similar. Much as I do love Firefly I don't think it's particularly necessary to have articles for every major character, particularly as much of the plot details overlap due to the relatively small number of episodes. A more readable article could probably be produced by combining them. If the
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to source the bulk of these articles (thereby demonstrating notability), not mine. In answer you other question, judging from my experience and also from any Featured Article, you get about two encyclopedic sentences out of every source. Two paragraphs (5 to 10 sentences each) of out-of-universe
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requires real-world content. Does the source say anything about the writers' inspiration for the character? How the actress was cast for the role? What about make-up and costumes? Was there merchandise for the character? It seems like one or two paragraphs for reception and other cultural impact
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you might want to notice that it applies to "delete votes" too - I seem to have noticed you passing some pretty undue judgment on the series, and you appear to have decided that these articles are and always will be fancruft - something that I would seriously doubt since the consensus here is
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I started the AfD as there are no independent secondary sources that are cited in the article and I did not believe any cwould or could be found. As it is nobody has given a source about any of the characters mentioned - they have given the names of sources that are about the tv series. If a
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justify a separate article, that was my point. And I was also actually encouraging the addition of real-world content. Obviously, these articles' year-long existance before this AfD was highly unproductive, and editors in favor of keeping them were and still are unwilling to prove the nom's
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way instead of going to AfD, but what's done is done, and the AfD route may bring results faster. These articles also have enough fan backing to not be deleted, so no worries on my side that these characters will receive the coverage they deserve by wiki guidelines and policies. –
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How do they merit individual articles? What has been shown by now is that these characters exist and deserve mention, but not that they deserve individual articles. Until significant real-world coverage by third-party sources has been shown, none of these characters are considered
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or merge into single List of as was done with the minor characters as per nom. No notability on their own and only source is companion book to show. No other primarily or secondary third-party reliable sources or real-world relevance. Articles mostly fancruft and in-universe.
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in the articles since the AfD has opened. Not very much in the light that the articles are "in danger". I can just hope that continued "threatening" (which I stated as a normal wiki procedure fact, not as my intention) actually accomplishes something, as nothing else seems to. –
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or needs to be said, about it. For instance, a complex character-based soap opera comic strip may be well within its rights to have articles dedicated to the cast in order to make the strip comprehensible to Knowledge readers. Yet the strip can be smaller than one about
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or some similar, although the series was good, and the film was enjoyable (yes, I know it's OR) it was only one part series, and one film wihout major commercial sucsess. Notable enough for an article, but not for a whole platoon of them. And that's coming from a fan.
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basically keep or merge. So you know, if you're going to call somebody out on their comments reading like WP:ATA, you might want to make sure your nomination doesn't read like "WP:IDONTLIKEIT and I assume it has no sources or possible room for improvement/merging." --
343:. These articles could easily be expanded and tidied to include more good/real-world information. The series, film, and characters are highly notable, as the show was actually highly successful and popular, despite what the nominator would have you believe. ---- 215:-leaving aside the reference to the film as a box office bomb, which is POV, it can be factually stated that both film and television series were critical successes. Althought he articles could use better sources, a look at them indicates a lack of 1012:
I'm a fan that came to the series after the movie. The individual character pages were very helpful. I just think that if they were merged onto one single page, these pages would be forced to cut information that I found useful. Please keep them
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for each of these articles. There are additional sources that could be used to improve these articles and they could stand a bit of rewriting but the solution is to improve them, not to delete them. With the continued expansion of the
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The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline
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notable out-of-universe. Furthermore, you should not be threatening repeated AfDs like that. It's highly unproductive, and seems to indicate an unwillingness to cooperate with the established outcome of this AfD.
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Citing prior precedent is a far cry from WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Let's try to play fair here. The !vote was clearly explained as an inclusionist !vote, with emphasis on possible improvement. If you're going to cite
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is the proper course, not an AfD. I do think that (as per the sourcing indicated by the user below) each of these articles can be stand-alone entries, but I'd not oppose merging at least some of them for now.
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You mean besides the book and film that have been mentioned? Those are independent sources. There is clearly support to have articles about each character - you seem to be supporting a merge unless there are
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Then he should have asked for citations rather than AfD. AfD when a call for citations would work better is an inherently hostile. If a call for citations goes unheeded, then an AfD might be called for.
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I think we're going to find enough material sourcing Inara: the others, maybe not. I see the nom didn't include Mal and River, so he obviously did his homework: I withdraw my "possible bad-faith" comment
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universe thanks to spinoff comics, books, and the possibility of a sequel movie there will be additional details available from reliable sources to continue expanding these articles for years to come. -
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says that articles should be based around this information. There is no real world information that exists for any of these characters (that is given in the article or I can find on the internet). --
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Could you please explain where you've gotten the idea that 10-20 references are required to demonstrate notability? Furthermore, you're still arguing that the content compels the articles to fail
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Yeah, well maybe you should read up on the show a little bit. We have a whole article about it. The fact that you don't like it or that you don't consider it successful is totally irrelevant. --
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Series is well known, and all ensemble characters are notable. Article is harmless. I would encourage more "real world" tie-in, but would vote inclusion first. See precedent discussion on
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to establish notability? These articles either need establish notability through real-world relevance very fast, or the next AfD (if this one ends in a keep) is just around the corner. –
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I explained why I felt they were in violation of the polcies - namely that there was no real world information and no secondary sources. I would also say that I did not say it was
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are you saying that "all ensemble characters are notable" - because both clearly lay out a requirement for real world, third party information which isn't present here. Finally
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and everything in them could be sourced to the published scripts, novelization, comics, or the non-fiction essays dealing with the series published in the two volumes
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series in general which mentioned the character would not be (in terms of establishing notability). As for the film I would say a fan talking about a series is not a
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I don't see any proof that these characters have received such significant independent coverage. And as you are in favor of keeping the articles as they are, it is
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could be squeezed out of this source, but none of this is currently included in the article, so you'd only have good faith working for the article at the moment. –
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Once again, WP:N says nothing about article content, only whether or not an article exists. Sources have been provided right here on the AfD. 10-20 sources is
751:. I'm a flan, but the characters are unfortunately not yet notable enough for individual encyclopedia articles (maybe after season 7 of Firefly (will too!)). 976:
they were largely meant to be a bit of background for people who didn't know much about the subject and had no place in this AfD nomination. I apologise. ]
48:. I'm not going to close this as keep, because although there is no consensus to delete, there is also no consensus that the articles so listed should be 1617:
the standard (not by a long shot). I've really got nothing more to say. This is an AfD. If you'd like the article(s) to be improved, take it up there. --
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movie was also a comercial failure - losing millions of dollars for the studio. I was not saying anything about the quality or otherwise of the show. ]
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Rowley, C. (2007) ‘Firefly/Serenity: Gendered Space and Gendered Bodies,’ British Journal of Politics and International Relations, 9(2), pp. 318-325.
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as I gave both reasons and policies to explain my position. I am sorry if I did muddy the water by making arguements that were essentially
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to one article. As much as it pains to say it, none of these characters are culturally significant enough to warrant their own article. --
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Kaylee's full name and nickname to 3 books and 1 DVD, so the sources exist, but they're about the show and movie, not the character. --
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There's also this article, but I don't have easy access to it to see how much it talks about the individual characters. Anybody else? --
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So are you claiming that the reference I added to Inara Serra several days ago is not third-party, not reliable, or not real-world?--
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enough to "deserve" a separate article. (This addresses all keep votes based on "but they're notable", not you in particular.) –
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articles. I'm open to recreation of articles when the nom's concerns are addressed. (Just started rewatching the show on DVD.) –
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Before asserting that I applied these guidelines and policies in a "totally invalid" way, would you please actually read them?
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from Harry Potter. Similar mass deletion request of fictional element that also resulted in a "keep" and "merge" decision.--
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What does that reference actually source in the article? Furthermore, does one (or two or three) source(s) demonstrate
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That and he doesn't seem to understand the term 'primary sources' since the TV series and movie are primary sources.
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of the television series. Even then does a collection of essays meet the depth of coverage requirement set out in
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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reliable sources have been mentioned by several other editors, they just need to be added to the article.
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as individual articles and should be merged in the hope that they can establish notability as a group. –
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paragraph of in-universe/out-of-universe notability (which still hasn't been added to the article) does
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loss. That to me indicates that the movie "bombed" at the box office. Admittedly though it is quite a
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has changed about the articles' state since the AfD opened, so his assertions still seem true. –
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about article content or how many paragraphs must contain a particular sort of information. --
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I do not know how you can call a show that was cancelled after 1 season "highly successful"? ]
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Yes, that's why documentaries on, say, Star Wars are okay. Because the people who make those
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not "just the show." You can't possibly sit here and demand that a book be published about
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I fully agree, so I don't know why you replied. None of these articles have demonstrated
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It sources several things, most notably details about her relationship with Mal.--
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character. There is no such policy, guideline, or precedent. Furthermore, that is
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article on the cast. The individual charcetrs must be notable in their own right,
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Reread what he said, he isn't predicting future notability. He is saying sources
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The notability of the series and the films is not under discussion here. But as
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with trimmed plot details, while maintaining all the character information, to
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is not a good arguements these articles should survive on their own merits,
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the articles. Again, currently the articles are completely unsourced. ]
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Sorry about that, I had you mistaken for the nominator for some reason.
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reason for an AfD. That's a moment when you should suggest a merge. --
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Her relationship with Mal is mostly of in-universe notability, but
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your irrelevant reason for nominating this article for deletion. --
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I am also nominating the following articles for the same reasons:
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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This page in a nutshell: Topics within a fictional universe are
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sourceable, thus this is a matter for cleanup and not deletion.
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because they're damn important to all the browncoats out here.
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10 to 20 sources to establish notability. Further questions? –
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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Derrial Book
Derrial Book
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links
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logs
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Zoe Washburne
Hoban Washburne
Inara Serra
Jayne Cobb
Kaylee Frye
Simon Tam
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tv series that was cancelled after one season
film which was a box office bomb
original research
fancruft
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