979:. (That article is used as a source in that article). But whether he regards it as a cheap jibe, or not, he lends notability to the term. Your latest comments seem to be a IDONTLIKEIT-like comment. WP is not censored, and as much as I hate having shit like this on WP, the AfD for Putinjugend showed us the standards for inclusion on WP, and it was on that basis that I have introduced this article, based upon those standards for inclusion. I don't write anything on WP that isn't notable. Also, you will note in the article that I have included the information that the Saint Petersburg branch of Yabloko asked for intervention because it is their belief that it breaches the Russian criminal code, but it appears nothing ever came from it. The reality of the matter is that a large section of Russia does believe that Estonia glorifies its NAZI past, whilst at the same time it desecrates Soviet war memorials, and 60% of Russians regard Estonia as an enemy of their nation...eSStonia is merely a notable manifestation of that belief. You don't like it, others may not like it, I don't like it, but it is a notable term, and it is notable Russian POV...or is that POV not allowed on WP anymore (if at all in the first place)? --
2715:. We are not here on WP as one big group of single-minded clones, but as individuals, and individuals will bring with them knowledge, and their own style. You say WP is not a game zone, I say that WP is supposed to be fun, not so mind-numbingly boring that we have to be careful what we say because an overbearing admin may take issue with something that is said for which no offence was intended, nor received as by other editors. People around the globe may have different understanding of humour, but this does not mean that I or anyone has to conform with your standards, nor does it mean that you have to conform with ours. I thought it was the melting pot that was what was supposed to make WP a good thing. So again in short,
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fascist state, and have attributed it accordingly. For example, the article reads, "Nashi also evoked the term when they accused the
Estonian state of cultivating fascism", it does not read "Russavia thinks that Estonia is a fascist state" (because not only is it against policy for me to place my own opinion in articles, but because it's not something I agree with). And don't accuse me of writing POV articles, for I have ensured that they are stated as claims and opinions, rather than matters of fact, attribution is provided where required, and have provided other information such the opinions of
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article talk page that "Nashi" is the neologism. But due to the outcome of that AfD, it has been determined that it is a notable term, so there is no reason that this is not a notable term also. I don't believe that any of this shit honestly belongs in an encyclopaedia, but going by past AfD's it seems opinion is against me (and others). Don't forget to mention also that you stalked me, and that after
Orangemike speedied it, I contacted him and he re-instated it, and you again tried to speedy it, which I reverted, and which you then tried to get arbitration enforcement unsuccessfully on me. --
1406:; you should remember it, as you all stalked me there, and I raised the question in would people use the same arguments? I went ahead and created the article in userspace (which Martintg tried having speedied by stalking me) and I ensured that it is notable and NPOV before placing into mainspace. It is notable, as there is a source which explains what the term means, and then there are sources which give usage of the term. It's as simple as that. And be careful Grey-Fox when accusing me of such rubbish, because I do recall that you
1900:: Those that support "Keep" assert that notability is established by the usage of the term within the Russian media and internet. While this may well be true in the case of Russian Knowledge (XXG), it is not true in regard to English Knowledge (XXG). Within english usage there are only two press articles in regard to the term, both published in the Economist within weeks of each other and most likely written by the same author. There is no other usage elsewhere in the English language media. If the standard of notability of a
2214:. Regarding "eSStonia" by itself than I'm more on the same page with CharlotteWebb. I take "eSStonia" like a ridiculous joke, and I always do like jokes, just that I don't think such a soapboxing joke has has any encyclopedic value to it. And again, in case the Afd outcome sees it differently and the article is not going to be deleted, I'll fix it and list the facts in the article that you have left out. I just don't want to take any chanses and work on something that might end up in a garbage bin anyway.--
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416:, I guess, is the hypocrisy that some will vote to keep or delete based upon their own biases, and not within policy. And as one can see from eSStonia, it is just as well sourced, as Putinjugend. The creation of this article has been done purely because the sources are there which describe what is behind the term, and also usage of the term in contemporary Russia.
1822:? I didn't create the article in order to have it listed here, I created the article because past AfDs have noted that notability can be established. I have never expressed a personal opinion that Estonia is a neo-Nazi state, and I have merely stated in the article what the reliable and notable sources say, for this is what we do on WP, is it not? --
2445:. The article has virtually no independent content. Russavia simply digs more and more newsrefs which merely mention the term, with no additional encyclopedic content (which is none, just a dicdef mixed with a bunch of usage cases and info related to Bronze Soldier topic rather than to the word). - 7-bubёn
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Bakharev and Beatle Fab Four. You may notice that pretty same people arguing against each other in all these Afds. I wonder how they would argue (keep or delete) if all these pejoratives or slang terms were put for deletion in bulk. Yes I know it is not possible, as there can be not bargaining in
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I've read the talk page, and all I see is gaming of policies and the like, claiming OR, when it is obvious that everything is sourced, and coatrack which again is rubbish, as the article deals completely with the term, and the term only. And I must say that it's my opinion that it's pretty ridiculous
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article ought to be deleted and moved into a section under Nashi. ESStonia seems to merely be a popular, widely used slur against
Estonia just as Putinjugend seems to be popular, widely used slur against pro-Kremlin youth groups. The history and usage of each of these terms seem notable enough to
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I'm sorry to see that you don't read the talk page, as I've clearly said there is no point to fix an article that is listed for an AfD. And not to worry, in case it's not going to be deleted, fix is going to happen. Perhaps you're not simply aware of the alternative viewpoints and therefore you have
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That's exactly why this is soapboxing because you have only included "that some hold the opinion that
Estonia is a fascist state" but excluded opposing viewpoints that say exact opposite available in the same sources that you have used. You're not only excluding the opposing sources but claim that
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at the time of deletion, in which a slew of editors voted keep based not upon policy, but on their opinions. And often it is done just to oppose the person who is nominating. I can show an example of where an editor who is stalking my edits noticed an image which I nominated for discussion, and he
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Estonian state of cultivating fascism, by removing the Bronze Soldier memorial, the unsolved murder of Dmitry Ganin on Bronze Night, the arrest and detention of Mark Siryk by the Kaitsepolitseiamet on Bronze Night, and a memorial to the 20th Waffen
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is not valid in this instance either, as I am not expressing my belief in the article that
Estonia is a fascist state, blah blah blah, but have presented what the sources state. And those sources now come from Russia, Latvia, Estonia, United States and the UK. Not speaking Estonian though doesn't
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Russian-language internet most definitely makes it notable, as it explicitly says that the term is used in Russia. And
English-language sources have also commented on it. As to Digwuren's questions, a term does not have to be uttered by a notable person to make it notable, but it has been used by
2711:, and even your position as an admin does not give you the authority to go around censoring discussions (and dare I say it, deleting files without discussion), when it is obvious it is humour; if it's not to your tastes, then skip paste it. There was no attacking of any editors, and there was no
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Please stop gaming Arbcom decisions. I have at no time said that "Estonia is a fascist state" or that "Estonians are fascists or nazis". I have, however, included into an article on what is a notable subject, the opinion garnered from reliable sources that some hold the opinion that
Estonia is a
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Putinjugend, Martintg, for it is in my belief not a notable term. But many editors, including most of those who are actually attacking me now here, "voted" keep, even though I demonstrated that it's usage is very low. You even made the utterly ridiculous comment on the
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the system in removing information from a peer-reviewed reliable source which described Litvinenko as a one-man disinformation bureau. But anyway, this discussion is on this article, and this article alone. Is it a notable term? Yes it is, because it is described by multiple reliable sources.
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Alex below has put it quite succinctly. If our inclusion standards allow Putinjugend, based upon only a few sources using the term in passing, there is no difference for this one, except this one has documentary actual usage of the term in different sectors of Russian society.
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Thanks for your assumption of good faith there Grey-Fox. For the record, on Putinjugend AfD you expressed your opinion of "Putinjugend is a well-sourced and widely used term. As wiki is not censored it should have its place.". The only place I have even mentioned eSStonia is
2906:. Unfortunately, it does not appear it is a 'tragic mistake', the only tragic thing is that Digwuren was caught. He made out other users were responsible, and it is obvious from Martintg's own words that even he did not know it was Digwuren. All the evidence is now there. --
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purposes, and thereby widening the gap between the already-disrupted relations between Russian nationalist editors who do everything to protect the post-soviet Russian government, and those writing critically or neutraly about Russian history (including other Russians).
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in you is waning, young padawan. There's no puppetry. It is my vote, because I originally believed the article could become encyclopædic. I forgot to log in, but I didn't bother when I recalled that AFDs aren't votes, and I believed my argument would stand on its
2671:. And thanks for the barnstar Termer, we needn't be at each others throats all the time, humour is good for the soul. SemBubenny, please take note. Also, this has nothing to do with the existence of Putinjugend or Phone Call to Putin, or anything else in terms of
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Whatever Russavia, I'm not going to bother disussing this with you like you enjoy discussing every tiny thing for hours, if not days. You've already uttered a couple of personal attacks on this page and the evidence on your disruptive behaviour speaks for itself.
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As long as you're searching for those elusive straws to beat me over with, you might as well claim that calling my own address "disgruntled IP" once I became disgruntled with my initial vote constituted a vicious attack on myself, and a flagrant violation of
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I have virtually admitted nothing. I have stated very clearly and I mean what I say and I say what I mean. This is a term which I had heard of in the past, and which I believed was notable, but was unsure if it were notable enough for WP. Given the AfD for
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Termer, with Edward Lucas, he has a reputation amongst many quarters of being a Russophobe, Estophile and Polonophile. Of course he will call it a "cheap jibe", because it is against Estonia. You will also note that in one of the articles he states
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How can it be a politically motivated POVFORK of Estonia, but then you state that any content should be moved to other articles? There are at least a half a dozen or so articles where a link to this article could be placed. It is no different to
2072:. So until the article keeps advancing the position of "Estonia is a Fascist state" by even ignoring the sources provided in the article itself that speak about exact opposite, Sorry but I can't see the whole thing in any other way than
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left those out, and have misinterpreted many facts in the article, and have inserted some statements that are simply not true. So I can promise you're going to find out shortly in case this can of worms stays open.--
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sources on the article which establishes notability as per what is community consensus on many previous AfDs and the notability guideline itself, and the nominators reason that it being non-notable is not correct.
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As I so patiently explained above, those catchphrases are not notable on their own; they're notable because somebody notable advanced them. Who is that elusive notable person who advanced this one?
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480:- marginally notable neologism. Still the notability is established by multiple references to the independent reliable sources and some real-life newspaper campaign. Judging from the discussion on
2107:. Knowledge (XXG) is not censored, and has to portray realities as they exist in the world in a neutral fashion. AfD is not an avenue for a content dispute, so if you don't believe the article is
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2514:. The rest of the article, as shown, is sourced to independent sources, and the BBC Russian source which you removed also lends more independent sourcing, if one wants to claim that the
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1092:. You might have heard of them. While neither had beards, both had poor taste in friends, and have been dethroned by their people by now. They're generally considered notable.
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2697:(re: your mention of gulag). Please be advised that people over the globe have very different undetrstanding of humor, and I had quite sad experience here. - 7-bubёn
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deleted the original vote. But as you can clearly see, that is not the case here.
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a 10 minute phone call to the Managing Director of Putinland
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easy decision as this is neither notable nor encyclopedic.
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2329:эс-эс-тония
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2212:Putinjugend
2164:article. --
2009:User:Termer
2005:this source
2001:this source
1898:Observation
1812:Evil Empire
1808:Great Satan
1694:Putinjugend
1593:a topic ban
1534:Putinjugend
1459:Putinjugend
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211:Putinjugend
2887:Good Faith
2657:theme park
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2361:article?--
2158:Background
2154:WP:SOFIXIT
2133:this new
2131:don't like
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2021:WP:SOAPBOX
2017:WP:SOAPBOX
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1796:Kommersant
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1631:conspiracy
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1520:Biruitorul
1343:User:Xasha
1248:State Duma
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1215:Kommersant
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438:Kommersant
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125:Mukadderat
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2821:JBsupreme
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670:• Gene93k
644:• Gene93k
478:Weak Keep
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1914:Martintg
1910:eSStonia
1885:Offliner
1869:Russavia
1864:thirteen
1856:advanced
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694:, with
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454:Russavia
414:WP:POINT
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392:Putinism
380:WP:POINT
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363:Russavia
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343:Putinism
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258:Russavia
245:Russavia
223:Martintg
215:eSStonia
202:Russavia
182:Martintg
178:WP:POINT
160:Russavia
150:- timed
117:View log
67:ESStonia
59:ESStonia
2930:Εμπρος!
2877:Εμπρος!
2680:like.--
2556:in our
2475:Rosbalt
2397:Εμπρος!
2111:, then
2109:WP:NPOV
2093:Yabloko
2066:Warning
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1985:Comment
1976:Εμπρος!
1968:WP:COAT
1841:Εμπρος!
1784:WP:BIAS
1678:Biophys
1605:Εμπρος!
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1153:Biophys
1126:unlike
1105:Εμπρος!
1008:, and
684:Comment
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531:Biophys
529:" back?
499:Comment
446:Vzglyad
430:Yabloko
84:protect
79:history
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2869:hadn't
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2817:Delete
2800:delete
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2507:Nashi
2447:: -->
2405:Well
2286:Merge
2275:talk
2208:POINT
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1589:Xasha
1565:Xasha
1504:Ostap
1408:gamed
1300:still
1199:Nashi
1132:books
1124:WP:RS
975:with
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753:ellol
556:woof!
527:Dobby
523:Putin
418:Nashi
285:Nashi
115:) – (
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97:watch
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101:logs
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