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893:- are we also going to need to start an article for the response from the sports industry? What about the hospitality business? This article's only purpose seems to be for keeping tabs on which celebrities have responded and which haven't. If any of their responses were particularly notable, then perhaps this article would approach being encyclopedic. But as it is, it's just an indiscriminate list.
1173:. Trivial and redundant lists of random celebrities joining protests and giving money isn't notable on its own and does not warrant an entire article dedicated to it. It can be summed up in one sentence in the main George Floyd protests page that a number of celebrities supported the cause, if it's even notable enough to mention.
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commentators and politicians. Responses by high profile figures, verified by reputable sources, are rather crammed into the original. Creating a new page of this kind could also solve the problem. I wish to work with the community to find the best solution that puts this work to use! PickleG13 (talk) 14:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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This practice is very common when it comes to endorsements of political candidates, and this in fact goes into more detail. The movement that is presently going on is important to report on, and this support is part of that. I would not have spent so long on the page if I didn't believe
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