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Felicilandia and patrons. On the bottom image of this source, it says "What do you remember most about San Patricio mall?" ¿Qué es lo que más recuerdas de San Patricio?" and Felicilandia is one of the choices and displayed as one of the things to remember about this mall and location. So yes, maybe it's not much, but documentation may be hard to come by in English resources and on internet since newspapers having the information are not easily availble because they are from long ago (before internet). But this exhibit is from 2014 and aims to document the history of Feliciliandia along with San Patricio Mall in Guaynabo. --
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list-articles, but if there are not too many of each type why not merge them? I am used to lists of historic buildings and other types of things including both surviving/current ones and also demolished/former ones.) Divide into 2 big sections if you want, but leave a split to the future if ever necessary. I think the general topic "attractions in PR" or "amusement parks in PR" is a natural one, where readers would appreciate seeing the historical sequence of all of the major ones in PR which have existed since
Europeans arrived. It would be interesting and worth mentioning if the first attraction created after 1493 might be known, perhaps some business or government or office or plantation opening a collection of curiosities or whatever.
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694:- I have a very hard time imagining that an amusement park that was around for 2 decades would not have substantial coverage in local Puerto Rican media. Unfortunately, it seems that very few Puerto Rican newspapers and magazines have digitized archives online. Let's give this article another years or two and see if folks can dig up more sources.
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