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Melanie Trump article anyhow. A merge may still occur. Which is one of the reasons (other than this is a quick renom) that the merge discussion that was started at that article should have been allowed to continue. Basically, no matter what the result of this AfD, there may still be, or not, related additions to the Melanie article. Classic waste of time.
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Melania Trump article is nowhere near large enough to start requiring spinoffs. What could be done is to create such a section in the Melania Trump article. The current "Fashion" section (a single sentence) could be expanded to something like the "Popularity and style" section at
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