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693:. There are numerous articles about how it was changed to a no contest and this controversy persisted in post-event coverage of the fight for some time afterwards, meaning that its coverage went beyond routine next day post-fight results to include article length discussions of the controversial changes several days after the event aired and in many different articles in Polish and English alike. So, we have an event with a title fight, in which notable fighters participated, from Poland's largest MMA promotion, and due to a controversial decision change, coverage of the event that continued across multiple websites for days after the event discussing the controversial change, why it happened, its significance, etc. beyond just listing results. Something with a championship fight from a major international promotion with notable fighters, and coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources in at least two languages absolutely meets our inclusion criteria. Thank you for reconsidering! -- 685:. The strongman is internationally known due to his many accomplishments. So, this event, which also featured a title fight, is covered extensively in European sources in the context of how it has affected the legacy of arguably the greatest strongman in modern times. The results of the event are 630:
There is a thing called Google and a thing called the Polish language. If you both to do actual research beyond just looking at the article, you will see that the event is covered in non-routine manner in other sources, including not just in English. You have failed to present any reason for
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Per our guidelines multiple reliable sources does indeed guarantee notability. The NFL has many events every year. KSW has had XVII events total. They are not comparable. NFL and KSW are apples and oranges. KSW events are more sporadic and therefore less routine than NFL events.
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Lol what?! The light heavyweight championship was one of the fights and in one the main fights a man considered the greatest strong man of all time competed. An event associated with a legend of sports and an event in which a championship was decided is not "routine". Ha!
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to in coverage of future events, i.e. showing their continued relevance to the notable fighters' history. Another way that the coverage is non-routine is due to the most important fight's results being changed after the event aired:
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Actually, it is blatantly true that those are the only two sources. You have also failed to give any sources to show "non-routine coverage" or that these events are historically significant (as required by
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As has been pointed out many times before, every NFL game has multiple reliable sources, but that's not sufficient to make them all notable. Multiple sources does not guarantee notability.
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due to the non-routine coverage of the event in Polish and English language sources alike. It is blatantly dishonest to claim it is only covered by the organization and Sherdog. --
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The event has stand alone notability due to coverage in multiple reliable sources. The fact that notable fighters participated in it adds to its notability. --
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on MMA notability issues, it would absolutely not be prudent to delete this or any categorically related article until that discussion is resolved.
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is on the keepers to demonstrate that non-routine, independent coverage exists, and that has not been met. If it is, would be glad to reconsider.
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Another clearly false statement since all NFL games have multiple reliable sources and yet most are not considered notable.
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The promotion's notability is not the issue. These events fail all the notability criteria previously mentioned (
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due to coverage in multiple international reliable sources and the participation of notable fighters? --
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This is a non-notable MMA event promoted by a second tier organization. The article consists of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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There's no indication anywhere that this event had "historic significance for Polish MMA."
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due to participation of notable fighters and historic significance for Polish MMA. --
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts/MMA_notability
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If the fighters are notable, they could have their own articles. That doesn't make
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So then by your own admission, if anything we should also cover all NFL games. --
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I am also nominating the following related page for the same reasons.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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via consensus below which indicates a failure to meet both
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Check the polish articles from non-MMA specific sites
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