404:). This is a bronze foundry in Pietrasanta, Italy. Other international sculptors such as Botero, Hanneke Beaumont, Yves Dana, Igor Mitoraj,... also work with this bronze foundry. ((for the moment there is not picture of one of my father's sculptures mentioned on that page, but I have just asked to put a picture of a sculpture from Kobe on that page).
572:, you need to stop editing your father's article and use talk page requests instead, as you have a serious conflict of interest, being his son and also running a foundation that supports him. You can contribute your thoughts here, but not in the article. You also need to declare your conflict on your user page.
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It is correct that my father has not been mentioned (as far as I know) in any
English newspaper or magazine article. But there have been enough books and art catalogs published about Kobe, so in other words: I am convinced there is enough coverage about Kobe so that the wikipedia page does not need
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Hello, I am Albin
Saelens, son of the deceased sculptor, artist Kobe (artistic alias of Jacques Saelens) and manage the website 'www.foundationkobe.com'. I would really love to keep this English wikipedia page about my father and would like to receive more information about what I should change in
876:, turned up by all the free research above, is decent. Along with the other items found, it's clear that he had some amount of professional recognition, with some coverage and one good collection. It's enough. The son needs to understand that this page is not part of his advertising apparatus.
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which books and publications (in any language) talk about his work in any detail but are not produced either by his own foundation or by dealers trying to sell his work. All significant information given in the article should be verifiable from these independent sources.
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I will do my best to improve this page (more independent sources, information about the collections that hold my father's work, and more information about books/articles). You will have to give me some time to improve the page. What time do I have? Kind regards, Albin
240:. Of the 15 references, 9 are to the artist's own web site, 3 are commercial galleries, 1 is commercial, and 1 is social media. Google search on his name, Jacques Saelens, shows that he exists and uses commercial media; we knew that. Google search does not find any
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Knowledge (XXG). I trimmed the article in hopes of finding some decent sourcing underneath all those primary sources, but there isn't any to speak of. A search turned up very, very
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te be deleted. I do understand and I admit that I am speaking often in a "peacock language" (this is natural because I am his son). Please let me know what I have to change so that the page can stay online. (
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What you call "the rest" are actually more of the same. What we have here is an artist who has exhibited his work. He exists and has exhibited. We agree on this! But, on its own, this fact does not make him
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because it "looks better", but contrary to the MOS. That isn't a reason to delete, but lack of notability is a reason to delete, and tweaking a disambiguator is the sort of editing where
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with moreref tags on the page. I don't read Dutch, but it seems the artist is represented in museums and catalogs. The page has also been improved since the initial AfD nomination.
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