915:- Several articles that do not have enough notability have few websites pointing out to them, but essentially why does this company deserves to have an article within Knowledge (XXG)? It is a subsidiary, it is responsible for myki, but everything that is contained in Kamco article, is already written in myki's article, and also its owner article is very small. The company itself is not notable and I have made a research about it, because it is known as myki, not as Kamco, if the company had a variety products it would be notable, this is a case of
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applies only to people, not to companies, otherwise this would indeed be a concern. As far as I'm aware the presence and quality of articles about the system and the company's parent are irrelevant to whether or not this article should exist, at least as far as policies and guidelines are concerned.
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Kamco is a household name in southern
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has prepared a confidential assessment that is currently being reviewed by the state
Treasury. This is a big deal: the original 12-year contract to develop and operate the system was for AU$ 494 million, expenditure to end 2010 was AU$ 790 million and it is now being called the "troubled $ 1.35
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Just wondering why you deleted the Kamco entry. It is not only a registered company in
Australia but is quiet often in the headlines in Victoria, Australia. There was some referenced material not copyrighted that was deleted. Why do people spend time updating this only to have Admins delete it.
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It seems that the myki project will continue even if the contract with Kamco is terminated. If the Kamco article is merged into the myki article, the material about Kamco will be buried and perhaps eventually lost because they are no longer the
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Now that the blatantly copied Myki advertorial section have been removed, the article can grow organically. This is difficult to do with the copyvio and deletion messages peppered throughout the article as it puts off new
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In twenty years, the Kamco experiment in
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Sources for the contract at vic.gov.au are being taken offline, and Kamco is the only article where sources are being archived via webcitation.org. If Kamco is deleted, the links to archived sources will
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Newspapers: There are two main newspapers in
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Having a heading of "Controversy in
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