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As a kid I grow up reading Tin Tin books and in fact it was my first ever book to read other than school books, so I may be a little biased, but I also know a lot about this subject. Tin Tin is a huge comical character in the World, much bigger in France, Europe and Middle East than the US. In fact
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It's certainly a fine source for the main article or maybe an article on like the "World or politics of Tintin," but it adds nothing to the topic of the fictional country in terms of real world commentary. It's just an analysis of the fictional context with no emphasis on any of the countries.
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