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No, griefing is doing something to make others miserable, because you enjoy bullying them. Kill stealing is something you do simply because you want something, and don't care who it rightfully belongs to. A bully and a thief are two different things, although yes, sometimes bullies take things from
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Thieving is obviously being a bully, since you're doing it with knowledge that it was someone else's kill and they 'deserved' it. That makes others miserable, and it's griefing, even if it's within the bounds of the game, otherwise it wouldn't be such a phenomenon in the first
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Its a modern day social phenomenon, and a key reason why some games fail. A major part of any multiplayer game development. I'm sure any books written about how games are made, or social interaction through massive player online games, would mention it.
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As for history/importance, it has influenced game design in that developers have modified their games specifically to prevent this from happening. This is discussed in the case of EverQuest in one of the linked-to articles.
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The title is inherently biased by referring to kill assists as "kill stealing". Also, it's basically a dictionary definition and should be put in
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you kill steal -- being a bully or just greedy (are the two even exclusive?) Victims would probably call it griefing if the behavior isn't stopped.
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