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477:(a first AFAIK) - I'm satisfied that the provided sources show that there is a single, consistent definition for the term viz a viz griefing. However, no sources have been provided yet that deal exclusively with the topic, and there's not really enough material to fill anything more than a Wiktionary article. If an article on game terminology exists, then I would suggest merging it there , otherwise merge it with 649:
No, griefing is doing something to make others miserable, because you enjoy bullying them. Kill stealing is something you do simply because you want something, and don't care who it rightfully belongs to. A bully and a thief are two different things, although yes, sometimes bullies take things from
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Thieving is obviously being a bully, since you're doing it with knowledge that it was someone else's kill and they 'deserved' it. That makes others miserable, and it's griefing, even if it's within the bounds of the game, otherwise it wouldn't be such a phenomenon in the first
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Its a modern day social phenomenon, and a key reason why some games fail. A major part of any multiplayer game development. I'm sure any books written about how games are made, or social interaction through massive player online games, would mention it.
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As for history/importance, it has influenced game design in that developers have modified their games specifically to prevent this from happening. This is discussed in the case of EverQuest in one of the linked-to articles.
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is a good one. Google books search has 89 results, some of them relevant to "kill stealing" in games. "Kill stealing" itself gets 31,800 results in a regular Google search, showing a lot of people use that expression.
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Merging to Griefer isn't a bad idea. Ganking, Farming and Botting, all game-term articles that were deleted in the past, have had sections of information incorporated into Griefer, or so I understand. --
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The title is inherently biased by referring to kill assists as "kill stealing". Also, it's basically a dictionary definition and should be put in Wiktionary instead.--
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The topic is quite notable, being covered by numerous sources. The rest is a matter of article editing and improvement which is not achieved by deletion.
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you kill steal -- being a bully or just greedy (are the two even exclusive?) Victims would probably call it griefing if the behavior isn't stopped.
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After reviewing the sources, I would suggest merging it instead, because the practice of kill stealing as described in MMOs is basically griefing.--
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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But is there anything that explains the origin of the term past that of a dictionary definition?--
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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too. There seems to be more material in the article than any of the sources I've looked at.
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clearly show it is a well established and widespread video gaming concept.
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as a source can be found. It's too prominent an MMORPG topic not to.
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per SharkD, due to the inherently negative connotation of the term.--
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the subject is important, which in this case is likely impossible.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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