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445:) grammar, so NOTADVICE cited above is irrelevant. As far as I can see, it has all the things you'd expect to see in a grammar article, and none of those you wouldn't. I've had a look at a few sections, and they were well sourced and sensibly written. Yes, a light touch of copyediting might be necessary here and there, and the article could certainly be improved by a trim down of some of the examples (if they're so many they might overwhelm the reader), a shortening of the section headings, and the addition of a summary at the beginning of each section. Oh yes, and it should be renamed to 343: 378:(the original) unless sufficiently repaired during this AFD: From the article history of the original, it's probably not a copyvio, or at least not an unredeemable one. It's obviously not in a state to remain in mainspace, but there's an article that does belong in mainspace which uses the information currently in the article, probably titled 469:. (Uanfala refutes the "INDISCRIMINATE" and "NOTADVICE" claims better than I could.) There may be issues with copyright, but until someone actually checks the sources for them, that is irrelevant. This should also not be draftified because that would only serve to hide the content from potential cleaners. 604:
NOTADVICE has no relevance to a descriptive grammar article and the reference to INDISCRIMINATE is just plain baffling. The only point of contention in the nomination that has any merit is the tone but the "not" that is much more appropriate to this discussion is
412:. This has the wrong title, the wrong layout, and a good deal of non-encyclopedic content. But along with that is a good deal of very useful information that can and should be modified into an encyclopedia entry. Also, merge this history with that of 283:. Possibly a copyright violation as well, but I cannot access the sources to confirm that. This article is an unsalvageable mess that seemingly only exists for the purpose of breaking as many of Knowledge's guidelines on articles as possible. 209: 515:
The topic is notable. The article needs a lot of tidying and trimming. I’ve no way of knowing if there’s a copyvio-if there is that would obviously change things. Can a Chinese speaker advise?
562:. Languages are presumed notable but this needs some trimming and vetting via reliable sources first. I won't oppose a plain keep, but it makes me wary. If we can help, please ping me. 353:, which was moved from the user's sandbox first and contains the actual revision history. The mainspace one was copy/pasted from here it appears. I've currently listed this at 413: 350: 203: 162: 301: 321: 109: 94: 438: 391: 169: 135: 130: 366: 256: 139: 466: 122: 616: 259: 224: 89: 82: 17: 387: 191: 543:
This article is notable but may need re-arrangement.This is an encyclopaedic article,not a language learner website.Thanks.
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to have the proper version in place, but it shouldn't really matter as far as the AfD is concerned. –
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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cutting down is needed), but the current sourcing is enough to establish notability, and
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Knowledge:The Basic Grammar Rules of the Standardized Has Hlai Language, Lauxhuet dialect
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Knowledge:The Basic Grammar Rules of the Standardized Has Hlai Language, Lauxhuet dialect
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or something similar. But that's all work that can easily be done in mainspace. –
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of a language is a perfectly valid encyclopedic topic (we've already got
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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