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445:. For a non-AAA title made after 2000, that was not a subject of short-lived fame on reddit and does not put much effort into promotion, it’s virtually impossible to have more than one or two mentions. Given the sheer numer of software produced and games counted in 5- or 6-digit figures, being noticed at all already puts a title among the important entries. In particular if we’re talking about an open source game, which is by itself a niche genre. And within this particular genre, Hedgewars is a mature product with a long history, mentioned in computer magazines ( 477:). Hardly not a notable entry: or most of the aforementioned list would need to face deletion. I am all against placing just any thing in Knowledge, as it’s not a place to promote random products, but Hedgewars clearly has its stable place in FOSS community and has been noticed outside of it, in multiple contexts. -- 543:, being limited to discrete values, with low sample size must produce noise with values from {0, 1} set and some outliers reaching outside that. The mention of other articles in the genre serves as an example of that. We can’t expect a FOSS game to have the same media coverage as JFK assassination. -- 384:- I was unable to find any significant coverage in magazines in Archive.org; the majority of what I found is rather brief, and largely discusses game mechanics rather than giving a review. Here's what I found: "Non-webgame of the month" in 571:, I write a couple of articles on obscure board games, and of course they won't have loads of coverage. IMHO, a sensible bar is two or more in-depth, independent, reliable refs, note I've also changed my ! vote to neutral, many thanks! 566:
Thanks for your reply. I'd like to clarify that I'm just saying that popularity isn't synonymous with notability and fame, which we already know. There are a few maybe good refs, but if they are RS is subject to debate. On
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Relisting. I appreciate the discussion and assessment of sources but I'm reading it as Weak Keeps and Weak Deletes that might result in a No Consensus outcome.
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despite the review being a bit short and might not meet SIGCOV. The following popularity isn't relevant to notability, IMHO, and the argument is like
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there aren't any truly reliable sources that are also significant. If someone could find something truly solid it's possible this could be rescued.
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Seeing availability of sources like this I'm leaning to keep (in my POV, only reason for deletion seems to be a lack of an Amiga port).
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coverage considered sufficient for considering a subject notable must take context into account.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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not a notable entry: or most of the aforementioned list would need to face deletion
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can’t expect a FOSS game to have the same media coverage as JFK assassination
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Did you read the sources I provided above (eg. via Google translate)?
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These are impressive finds, and Komputer Swiat is apparently RS on
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might not be SIGCOV but is from a well-known newspaper, as well as
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Why I even bother to ask, that fellow editor is a blocked sock.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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found another seemingly RS ref, but it's listed under
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