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The most important point of the argument: the news of the affair and manner in which Salas won the 2006 Miss Nevada title crossed various national and language barriers, with more examples than I care to show at this moment. And, to add to her exceptionality, she won, not one, but two titles, which
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Thanks for that, I admit I overlooked that nuance of G4, although I would have assumed the content was similar enough, apparently not. I was surprised that the nomination didn't mention the previous deletion, I made the mistake of trying a friendly heads up on the nominator's talk page and got my
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