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450:, you might wish to reconsider your words here. There is nothing whatsoever in the source you proffered that indicates she's done anything to gain "notoriety", which, in case you didn't realize it, is a charged, negative word. All your source (btw, a passing mention that has no bearing on notability) verifies is that indeed, she has never won a state level pageant, which, even if she had, would also not show notability. Your words are very close to a BLP violation. 686:
The most important point of the argument: the news of the affair and manner in which Salas won the 2006 Miss Nevada title crossed various national and language barriers, with more examples than I care to show at this moment. And, to add to her exceptionality, she won, not one, but two titles, which
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Thanks for that, I admit I overlooked that nuance of G4, although I would have assumed the content was similar enough, apparently not. I was surprised that the nomination didn't mention the previous deletion, I made the mistake of trying a friendly heads up on the nominator's talk page and got my
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Not a comment on the discussion, just pointing out that the content is different between the current and deleted versions. To be honest, the deleted version was far more developed than the current one (not to mention it was 3259 bytes - about 64.6% - larger).
560:); 2) the way she won the last title set her apart and generated buzz (e.g., “Rees was replaced by Helen Salas, who went on to earn the fourth runner-up spot at Miss USA.”); 3) her amorous experiences catapulted her again to the top of the media buzz (i.e., 657:(which you linked) also notes that when combined with others, it may actually be used as a reliable source. Nevertheless, for me, the argument for deletion is faulty because there is actually significant coverage here and from reliable publications (e.g., 222: 81: 769:
notability; therefore to have notability she must have significant coverage in multiple reliable publications. Since she does not, she fails the notability test of the guidelines. --
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But you still haven't provided evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If you can provide that I will happily change my vote.
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short of winning Miss USA, contestants are only notable if they have some other reason to be notable, which Salas lacks, so we should delete the article.
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I don’t see this as a 1E situation as she competed in two pageants 3 years apart, but regardless she doesn’t pass
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Wuao! Thanks for your spirited (and perhaps condescending?) chance to expand, and
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I used “buzz” in a more general way than you did. And the 2017 consensus on the
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and more. The rest of the buzz, is just that: buzz, in the way you used it.
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it wasn't Salas who gained "notoriety" it was the original winner that year
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Just holding titles isn't enough to establish notability, we need
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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generated its own media. The first point alone should satisfy
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286:, no significant coverage in third party sources. 552:In short, 1) she holds two prominent titles (2004 82:Articles for deletion/Helen Salas (2nd nomination) 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 798:). 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