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533:- While we tend to treat gerontology-driven Bio with kid gloves, the fact that the Freikorps was a broad alliance of right wing/nationalist paramilitaries rather than a single outfit does degrade the notability hook of this biography. This is additionally defective in the way BLP-1E rules articles on living people defective: an ordinary individual with the accidental fact of having lived a long time. There is a rational keep argument to be made, but I'm non the other side of the fence myself... 247:
a veteran of WWI (that's the reason why the awkward construction "last Worl War I era veteran" is used), he was an orchestra musician (first flautist of one of the most famous German orchestras) but I haven't been able to dig up much on the web about possible solo performances, he was active from the
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notable unit. It was a large group of organisations that defined an era and was involved in what was effectively a civil war. Bit of a difference. I think the last surviving veteran of the SA or the SS might be considered notable, don't you? Same thing. --
52:. The consensus below is that being the last surviving Friekorps veteran is not a sufficient claim to notability and that the available sources do not support notability on any alternative bases (such as for his musical career). 168: 248:
1920s to the 1970s, definitely pre-internet. Also, the death date is OR, it may be true, but no source found yet, only some Wiki mirrors. Also his name was spelled "Helmuth" (according to the newspapers).
211:. Being the "last known German Revolution veteran and the last German World War I-Era veteran" is his claim to notability, but this is the only encyclopedic fact available and could be (and is) noted at 313: 243:
his age is verified by the two newspaper articles, I added the sources, he was a member of a Freikorps (i.e. revolutionary irregular paramilitary troops), aged 17–18, he was definitely
121: 353: 421:, wouldn't qualify for a standalone article (Jesse Langdon gets a paragraph in the main article); a paramilitary organization certainly doesn't, and he doesn't satisfy 333: 293: 162: 203:'s requirement of non-trivial coverage in multiple, reliable third-party sources. Although it has been unsourced for five years, there are a few out there (such as 212: 204: 128: 17: 216: 94: 89: 506:
The consensus seems to be that being the last survivor of a famous unit is not notable on its own. Why would a lesser claim?
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Even worse. It isn't even a single, well-defined unit. How in the world would you ever be able to prove the claim?
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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There are documents and lists for everything in Germany. For more info see
425:. Two newspaper articles (from the little I can read) don't seem to meet 219:; per past precedent, being the last or oldest of X is not sufficient 550:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
417:. IMO, even being the last survivor of a noted unit, say the 378:
to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --
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