427:, an ancient myth that has influenced various aspects of popular culture for many, many years is definitely encyclopedic; verifiable sources can and are starting to be provided and the article does not attempt to force any one point of view on readers; the article contains free content edited by many different editors; the article seems to have had a pleasant edit history with not much in the way of edit wars from my glance; and it is a bold, interesting article. --
293:. The listed items have nothing in common with one another. They don't all even have the Hydra in common, as this list not only captures appearances by the creature but things that are simply named "Hydra" or merely use the word "hydra." This list tells us nothing about the Hydra, nothing about the things that use the word "hydra," nothing about how these things relate to the Hydra or to each other and nothing about the real world.
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Again, it is still being improved with images, reference, internal links, etc. Definitely not mere trivia, because the persistence of the Greek myth in
Western culture is indicative of its strength throughout many centuries. The fact that there are so many references to it show its long-lasting
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articles of this nature, because, while I agree that many of the existing ones can and should be improved with sources and images, listing the many places in which an original source, concept, idea, etc. resurfaces throughout the various arts throughout the ages is quite revealing of the topic's
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I think there are far too many of these 'pop culture' articles, and would stress that we shouldn't keep this JUST because its a classical in nature (and I'm a
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article. Most mythological beings, stories, etc have a section for XX in popular culture; it's factual and, I think, actually quite interesting to see how those archetypes are reused in games, books, etc. However, it could be edited considerably for length to condense it down.
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Okay, but then why say "the only apparent changes", when there were more than that, because I also added some references, too. And I did read what others argued, and it just doesn't seem to violate "not" in that the list is hardly indiscriminate or not encyclopedic. Best,
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to the name in different media really doesn't show a pop cultural phenomenon. Is there a book, or journal article out there that discusses that Hydra is a pop culture icon and why we resort to it? how it's used, referenced, etc.? I didn't find one, but if such a
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Actually, I added TWO pictures, a couple of references, put titles in italics, corrected some grammar, etc. If you look at the history of the article you will see that I made FIFTEEN edits to that article in order to improve it. Best,
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