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427:, an ancient myth that has influenced various aspects of popular culture for many, many years is definitely encyclopedic; verifiable sources can and are starting to be provided and the article does not attempt to force any one point of view on readers; the article contains free content edited by many different editors; the article seems to have had a pleasant edit history with not much in the way of edit wars from my glance; and it is a bold, interesting article. -- 293:. The listed items have nothing in common with one another. They don't all even have the Hydra in common, as this list not only captures appearances by the creature but things that are simply named "Hydra" or merely use the word "hydra." This list tells us nothing about the Hydra, nothing about the things that use the word "hydra," nothing about how these things relate to the Hydra or to each other and nothing about the real world. 395:, because it concerns and Ancient myth, which is certainly encyclopedic and provides enough examples from noteworthy venues to justify inclusion. What I would suggest is more in the way of references and images. Also, I am in the process of cleaning the article up in terms of organization, references, internal links, italicizing titles, etc., so please at least allow for some time to clean up to see if it improves. -- 491:
I am into the Classics myself, but many people and creatures and deities of Graeco-Roman mythology have entered our vocabulary and as such become a quick reference: e.g., someone ugly: Medusa; strong: Hercules; naughty: Bacchus; beautiful: Venus or Helen of Troy. Hydra is little different and resort
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For comparative purposes and as a possible means of a compromise solution, I temporarily merged some of the article into the main hydra article. Please look over this version and see if it would work better in the article or a separate article. Feel free to revert the edit to the main article if
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Again, it is still being improved with images, reference, internal links, etc. Definitely not mere trivia, because the persistence of the Greek myth in Western culture is indicative of its strength throughout many centuries. The fact that there are so many references to it show its long-lasting
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articles of this nature, because, while I agree that many of the existing ones can and should be improved with sources and images, listing the many places in which an original source, concept, idea, etc. resurfaces throughout the various arts throughout the ages is quite revealing of the topic's
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I think there are far too many of these 'pop culture' articles, and would stress that we shouldn't keep this JUST because its a classical in nature (and I'm a Classicist!). The enduring nature of Greek mythology and culture is better displayed through a category, I think. It is much easier to
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Knowledge (XXG) has a policy against trivia sections, and this list, even if massively conensed, would be an obvious trivia section. The transition of classical mythology into popular culture is an interesting one, but would be much better served by a paragraph or two in another article than a
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article. Most mythological beings, stories, etc have a section for XX in popular culture; it's factual and, I think, actually quite interesting to see how those archetypes are reused in games, books, etc. However, it could be edited considerably for length to condense it down.
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Okay, but then why say "the only apparent changes", when there were more than that, because I also added some references, too. And I did read what others argued, and it just doesn't seem to violate "not" in that the list is hardly indiscriminate or not encyclopedic. Best,
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to the name in different media really doesn't show a pop cultural phenomenon. Is there a book, or journal article out there that discusses that Hydra is a pop culture icon and why we resort to it? how it's used, referenced, etc.? I didn't find one, but if such a
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I would say merge, but I don't think there's anything worth merging. CaveatLector makes a good point about categories: if the list items have their own pages, they should be in a category; if there are enough items, the category could even be
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Actually, I added TWO pictures, a couple of references, put titles in italics, corrected some grammar, etc. If you look at the history of the article you will see that I made FIFTEEN edits to that article in order to improve it. Best,
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says he is attempting to improve the article, but the only apparent changes are a huge photo of a roller coaster has been added, and the entire (slightly reformatted)
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Not only is the article trivia, but it's primary focus is video games an the like, which frequently draw from classical mythology. Nothing surprising there.
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look at the edit history, every single recent edit. You seem to believe that simply correcting spelling and adding images can save an article that violates
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necessary, but I just wanted to see what it could like and show others what it could look like as well. Please see possible temporary edit at
321:. Forking out "popular culture" sections into separate articles and then deleting those articles is a poor substitute for actual editing. - 454:
I again request some patience on this one as efforts are being undertaken to improve the article. Please note that in addition to my edits,
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These "articles" (scrappy unedited research notes in reality) are always bad, with a built in tendency to get worse over time.
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In Tenacious D's "Wonderboy," Jack Black says "There's the Hydra. Pull out your broadsword. Slice his throat. Grab his scrote"
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article. Ideally these references should be briefly summarised in the main article but a separate article might be okay too.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Knowledge (XXG) is not a trivia collection. We should avoid organizing articles as lists of isolated facts. --
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and discuss what you think; I don't know what more I would have to add at this point. Take care! --
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little different than other popular culture articles deemed by consensus to be non-encyclopedic.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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legacy and relevance to world culture and is therefore absolutely encyclopedic. As for
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An overgrown trivia section should be trimmed down, not expanded into a new page per
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has also made several edits to improve the article in the past couple of hours. --
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is found I'd reconsider. But to now, a slew of references is not encyclopedic.
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I have begun work taking articles relevant enough and adding them to
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The band Green Lights use the term Hydra-rock to describe their sound
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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importance, not to mention it's handiness for researchers. --
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I still think the list is pure trivia and a violation of
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access and provides a lot more research opportunities.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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ESkog
03:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Hydra in popular culture
Hydra in popular culture
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Gorgons and Medusa in popular culture
Corpx
03:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Calgary
03:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Lernaean Hydra
Bookgrrl

lookee here
04:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Calgary
04:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Lernaean Hydra

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