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already sufficiently summarizes what this quote farm tries to convey hence a merge is entirely unnecessary and damaging. Note, I am not here to question the notability of the attacks, that is well-asserted and a given, but rather this page which gathered quotes simply to keep them away from the main
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By that I meant long after editor interest in the Norway attacks has declined. Given the millions of editors we have, let alone readers, AfD attracts such a tiny amount of user participation. OSE has been used throughout the discussion (and others) to suggest that because other reactions articles
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Nothing has really changed since the last two AfDs. This is just an attempt to delete this article under the cover of darkness. This is a legitimate split based on the size of the parent article. This was especially notable given the rarity of an attack of this nature in Norway. Reliable sources,
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In short even though this has been snow kept and keep with massive majority consensus with alot of good comments, twice - this is irrelevant and no one has previous considered your brilliant reasoning which has worked on at least two AfD's recently. I am not knocking your rationale, but in my
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the growing collection of international reactions to keep it from occupying a very sizeable portion of the main article. Reliable information about the actual attack was rather scarce at the time. The main page has since had ample time to develop as an article, and this page's deletion as an
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Because expanding the problem will not make it any better. The main article's size is irrelevant; it is actually one of the best articles on a modern terror attack that I have seen. Kudos to the editors who dedicated themselves to making it more than a second-rate news
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