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352:, p. 48 citing Zakharov and stating in no uncertain terms that "According to Zaharov, there are four case formants in written Manchu Thus the cases in written manchu are five in total." and also explaining "One of the traditional problems of description of cases in the Altaic languages is the relatively vague distinction between a case suffix on one hand and a particle or a postposition on the other.". I find others, such as 204: 360:
Zakharov to say that there aren't five cases in literary Manchu, and that this claimed case is genuinely a thing. I haven't turned up one. So at the moment this idea of an
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High probability that it's a postposition. Article is also a stub with no references and references that are available don't provide a conclusive answer --
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The content seems reasonable, but after some attempt to find reliable sources, I think this article might be
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consider it a case marker. I found, as Goroleva says, someone calling it the
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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