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229:. This journal is a long-standing journal in the relatively new field of computer science education. The Journal is indexed by several highly recognized services in computer science (in which ACM is arguably the top professional organization). The journal has significant coverage in Google Scholar and Microsoft Academic Search, including journal articles with hundreds of citations. This journal is second in importance only to the top journal in the field, the ACM Technical Symposium on Computer Science Education. This information was not available in the original version of the article, and has been added to address the concerns raised. I believe these improvements address both WP:GNG demonstrating coverage from reliable sources independent of the subject and WP:NJournals in that coverage by various Association for Computing Machinery services (ACM is among the most prestigious professional organizations in the field of computer science), demonstrate that it is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice, as established by reliable sources. The speedy deletion notice itself includes "Scholar" as a way to search for external coverage - a quick search lists over 567:: As far as I can see, some articles published in the journal get cited, but there is no coverage of the journal itself. So we have zero independent sources verifying the notability of this journal. Some citations to a journal are to be expected, but don't make it notable in the sense of NJournals (and even less in the sense of GNG). -- 484:: My apologies, I'm not taking time to explain this well for other experts. In computer science, unlike some other academic fields, the conferences are important, and often synonymous with the proceedings. This is just one example of independent coverage of the conference from which the journal proceedings originate. 251:
Nobody says GScholar is not an important tool. So is Google. But for an academic journal being indexed in GScholar (or Microsoft Academic Search) is just as meaningful as my personal Facebook page being "indexed" in Google. And if this is indeed the second journal in its field, then it should be easy
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It's indexed by ACM, one of the most recognized professional organizations in computer science. Their Digital Library is a significant, reliable, widely-used source for computing science information. A variety of projects are working on improving the coverage of computer science and academic
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etc. More can be found in google books. Maybe this is not a major journal, but it is certainly notable. I have also found some articles on Google scholar that the articles from the journal have been cited
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as the sole way to establish notability. These sources are not yet the best gauge for Computer Science Education; not appearing in them is not an indication that a journal is not valuable or notable.
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database. Including an article on a subject for which notability cannot be shown isn't directly consistent with our standards either... --
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is an outstanding source for high-quality research and information in the area of Computer Science Education. The deletion notice (
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It has a heavy coverage in a number of areas. I think it is probably easily notable from coverage alone.
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https://www.computer.org/web/computingnow/archive/iot-for-21st-century-learners-june-2017-introduction
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in the journal are to be expected and do not indicate notability. What we need is coverage of the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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https://cse.ucsd.edu/about/news/cse-hosts-computer-science-education-conference-uc-san-diego
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A quick search shows the CCSC conferences get covered by notable institutions including
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and I'm not even going to start with GNG, which is quite a bit harsher. --
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and others - keynote speakers include Program Directors from the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Thank you for clarifying that this is not about the journal. --
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