1054:, yet another in a long line of Sottolacqua deletion nominations. Despite all the work that's gone into this article, he won't rest until all sorts of valuable sourced information is culled from the encyclopedia. It's tiring to keep responding to these nominations. I could write pages on why all the nomination arguments are bunk, but frankly, I'm exhausted by this process. It really shouldn't be this much of an uphill battle to keep content on the encyclopedia. My sense is that deletionists won't rest until Knowledge (XXG) is reduced to nothing.
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Fleming version's resulting moves around the schedule and eventual cancellation. While it's (mostly) sourced, I'm
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