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for a page where they can advertise their books at Knowledge. At the very least the book section reads like vanity advertising for an obscure product and should be trimmed. To a lesser extent the section on his podcast/self publishing career is needless promotion as well, it does little but cite self published and primary sources often by authors connected to the subject. Again it concerns me that if we are too permissive with promotion, every marginally notable blogger will be getting Knowledge puff pieces on their obscure books and blogs.
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there are references to freelance journalism but nothing that anchors him as a journalist, a podcast that is well short of record setting or ground breaking, and a book that has yet to show any meaningful impact on himself or the subject area. I think it toosoon for an article, but I would prefer since this has been CSD'd and AFD'd repeatedly to have a future version reviewed by unbiased eyes and moved out to the main space when he is firmly anchored as notable and meets the criteria for inclusion.
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with the remaining segments dedicated to his podcast and obscure book when neither are notable. If we give everyone who gets a page a large promotional section to their book, even if it was not commercially successful or notable in reception, then surely every self published author would be clamoring
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is met, Criterion one falls so short Singalā€™s biography and self published sites have to makeup much of the article, the controversy articles describe that single event but little else. Criterion 3 and 5 is failed, we lack secondary sources and worse yet, many are not independent either from people
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This is an article that keeps coming back, and while it comes back different every time it also lends itself to the suspicion that there may be other factors at play here (such as the fan base) trying to get an article for the author here. Taken by the skeletal frame of the article GNG is not met,
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His book was what you held as entitling him to an article however itā€™s very obscure and instead of qualifying him it is receiving promotion. Is it his publication prominence as muckrack says heā€™s had almost zero articles published in the last two years? Or is it merely a few primary sources from a
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This list intentionally does not include any of several gossipy one-off bits offering no more than recaps or hot takes of individual tweets or twitter spats involving Singal, which can also be found by simple Google Search. Between trans writing, a book, and a podcast, notability is sufficiently
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If you believe that is good, if you can give examples that is even better. Instead of taking it on faith, tell us how he is notable? I canā€™t see signs of any publication notability, and the book is not notable, so surely it must be more than the primary sources from one
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as he has significant coverage in multiple independent sources. Additionally, the idea that this is a fan page is somewhat ridiculous as a significant portion of the article is devoted to criticism of the subject by LBTQ publications and activists for his perceived
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The subject has established notability and significant coverage is cited and there is more coverage found in the search engines. However, no honorary mentions or awards in mass media, nor any demonstration of impact and major contributions to his industry.
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A claim to notability is a book he published, however a search of bestseller lists shows the book did not reach them and holds about 100,000# in book sales ranking with Bookmarks noting it had a tepid reception.
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is met. An AfD from years ago on a much shorter article and book sales numbers are irrelevant. There is no need to worry about some sort of precedent being set when we already have GNG and the like to guide us.
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I would be grateful if you could enlighten me as to what writing? Muckrack shows minimal publications in the last two years. As for the book, which reviews? There are many non notable books with mixed reviews
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is about whether a person deserves an article separate from some other notable event, which doesn't apply here. Between commentary on the Atlantic article, commentary on his writing, and reviews of his book,
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does not really apply here. There is RS coverage spanning 4 years and several areas. Much of the information mentioned in the nomination (e.g. the sales figures and reception of his book) are irrelevant to
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who are related to his disputes, or his editor from Reason. What we have to build from is either limited to the incident or self published or not independent. It does not seem a foundation for an article.
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To conclude I donā€™t see what has changed from last time which held an overwhelming consensus for delete apart from a decline in the subjects publication prominence and a
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In the interspersing time the subject does not appear to have gained notability, going from being a Senior Editor in NYMag, to self published.
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The final claim to his notability is that he was involved in a journalism controversy during 2018 which CJR briefly summarized here
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out there. And most sold much better. In fact, many best seller list books did not get a Knowledge page? Should give them one?
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to contribute their wisdom to this discussion. Apologies if my grammar is poor my friends, English is not my first language.
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Comment, his previously deleted article was not ten sentences, it was essentially this but without the
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that died down. If the later is all we have then our article is possibly less viable than last times.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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This article is not about Singal's book. Whether the book is notable is irrelevant.
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Is he notable then? He has minimal publications and no notability that could meet
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I would encourage all parties involved in this current iteration of the article
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event that died down. Apart from a brief critical mention in CJR I do not see
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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