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already covers him in the appropriate context, there's no compelling reason why he would need a standalone biographical article to delve more deeply into his childhood or his educational background or his career or his family relationships than the court case's article already does. To be clear, I do
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of a person who is notable for a specific event, but is already well-covered by that event's article without needing to delve deeper into his private personal life outside of the event. This is referenced entirely to factoids cherrypicked from coverage of the court case itself (along with a few stray
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the way over a notability standard in the absence of the court case, but it's still contributory — and Edie Windsor also cites a lot more sources than this does, covering her in the context of a lot more than just the court case alone. That's the difference between her and this: her article is
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Obergefell is an important figure in the history of the Supreme Court as well as an important LGBTQ+ activist. Obergefell's story is widely covered in high school history classrooms and students will frequently use his page for their research
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that aren't notability boosters), not to any evidence that his personal life has actually been a subject of coverage in its own right -- and since the existing
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per Bearian. There is plenty of precedent for people who became famous for 1E who use that fame to go on to become notable advocates and campaigners.
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We don't keep articles just because somebody generically asserts, without showing any actual evidence, that there are more sources available.
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is not a magic word that instantly sends an AFD discussion to hell just because you say it — it only comes into play if you actually
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that he's notable for more than just the court case itself, not hard evidence equivalent to what Windsor's article is showing.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Edith Windsor features evidence that she already had some degree of preexisting notability
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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her court case. It may not necessarily have gotten her
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