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agreed with user Kubigula. If the egyptians did not talk about it how can that be shown as a prove if happened ?! would they talk about some thing that did not happen ? No. as shown in the article's own discussion page, the whole story seams to be just an extreme sort of fantasy, and is not relevant
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The IAF is certainly not neutral -- that's what an Air Force is certainly not expected to be -- but there is no reason to believe that the sources are not reliable. Given the result, it's not surprising that the Egyptians are not talking too much about it, especially in English language sources.
181:. A while back, I spent some time trying to research this to address a POV allegation, and I couldn't find any English language sources to back up the information. The articles and books I found that explicitely discussed the Yom Kippur air war did not have anything about this engagement. 337:
per Alansohn. sources are not required to be in English, if releiable translations are provided by editors - in this case we have a long-time administrator (El-C) vouching for the accuracy of the translation of the Hebrew sources.
355:. I agree. I trust El C, so verifiability is not the main concern here. However, I still don't see any compelling argument that this event was notable. Also, NPOV is a concern when we only have a single military source.-- 193:
are met. Moreover, I am concerned about any article of uncertain significance being based solely on one side's military sources. A subject like this really needs third party sources to meet Knowledge (XXG) policies and
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battle is referenced in "Arab-Israeli Air Wars 1947-82" by Shlomo Aloni, Osprey Combat Aircraft # 23, Copyright 2001, Osprey Publishing Limited. I posted the full citation on the article talk page.
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vouched for the Hebrew sources, so I accepted that the information is sufficiently verified that I haven't felt compelled to bring it here. However, I have never been satisfied that
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Article has no other source besides one IAF source, which is not neutral, and so cannot be considered a reliable source. It also has no other source in the Egyptian Military.
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per Alansohn. The argument brought by the nominator have a case for tagging the article, requesting more sources, but not for deletion. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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to the standard of performance shown by the egyptian military in general, and the air force especially.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Stifle
talk
08:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Ofira Air Battle
Ofira Air Battle
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
Sherif9282
talk
22:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Eastmain
talk
00:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Alansohn
talk
16:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
User:El C
WP:N
WP:NPOV

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