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Ukrainian Knowledge, there are a significant number of sources there, which were not used in the English Knowledge. Apparently some of them are affiliated. It
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We shall have to disagree on CESNUR; my understanding of past archives is that longstanding wikipedia precedent (far predating me) has held CESNUR is not considered a RS. A well-sourced criticism of CESNUR is that its scholars lack sufficient independence from it subjects.
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