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448:- a bit tricky, since the label was started as a vanity label, but has since evolved beyond that. The label doesn't appear to be notable, as Walter Görlitz points out there's only a single notable act (the founders), and I can't find any in-depth independent coverage on the label. However, if a fan of obscure Christian metal music was to search for the term, they probably aren't looking for information about the band, so a re-direct might not be helpful, unless there was a selective merge. Including the label's discography into the band's article seems like unhelpful clutter.
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