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604:-winning movie made about her, yes it's Brandon Teena's story, but the film focuses on the relationship between Brandon and Lana. The fact that these people, and this story, is very popular and well-known is not up for debate. a simple google search of "Lana Tisdel" shows books, photos, magazines, and videos of her.
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Brandon Teena is deceased, and only his information and his family should be mentioned on his page. Lana is alive, and her mother and sister were involved in everything and that information can be on Lana's page. Also, this page didn't exist until
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You did not respond to my questions in my previous post, but rather simply reiterated parts of the wiki article on Tisdel. Regarding your comment that "Brandon Teena ... only his information and his family should be mentioned on his page", well, what is the logic of that? Isn't the Tisdel stuff part
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is a biography of all the people involved, and especially the Tisdel family. Lana and her mother are featured prominently in the film. There should be Wiki articles on all of the subjects, there certainly are numerous articles on
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per above. The multiple books and movies aren't about Lana Tisdel, they are about
Brandon Teena. They certainly all mention Tisdel, but only as Teena's girlfriend. Not in her own right. They similarly mention Teena's mom and Teena's killers - we could just as well write those three articles, except
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was world weightlifting champion; these and many other notable women did notable things, such as making scientific discoveries or breaking down gender barriers. What did Lana Tisdel do, create, write? She was involved with a murder victim. So, that's the story? You've got two pages of text to say
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Your comment makes no sense, you asked me to state why she's notable and I did. and no, Lana's information about her life and her family's involvement should be on her own page, not on Teena's page. if you watched the video I posted on
Youtube (just posted December 2014, it has over 4,000 views.
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Columbia University Press also covers Lana in detail. Large amounts of coverage in mass media, not just about the murder (BLP1E fails) but about gender issues in general, and multiple mentions in scholarly books published by university presses seems to make "notable" dead cert.
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there is a lot of public interest in this person as she was highly involved in a triple homicide and the following events, as well as portrayed in an
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quite upsetting that the murder events don't even have their own page. and Lana and
Brandon Teena's relationship and the dynamics between them are hugely popular, and studied by LGBT researchers, which is noted in the many books and magazine I linked to.
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Yes I suppose, but still my sense is this person was a one-time participant in a once-hot story, which has been somewhat sustained because there was a movie adaptation, then a lawsuit, but still it looks like a
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I saw those sources too; they're really mentions. The subject of the story is not Tisdel but the murder and trans-gender issues. I still don't think anybody can adequately complete the sentence
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