658:- I'm of two minds here. On the one hand, there is an on-going string of connected radical left-wing acts of violence in Greece (ranging from very violent and widespread street rioting, to the occasional attack) - sourcing for these incidents and their relatedness is available. On the other hand, I'm not sure insurgency is the correct term (though I'm not sure what is - so that's really a move discussion issue) and the present article really just describes the
295:; Greece has a problem of left-wing terrorism and violence, but an "insurgency" it is not, as others have noted in the talk page. This term not only magnifies a problem but suggests a coherent phenomenon, where there is none. 17N and its emulators are not the same as the anarchists setting fire to cars during police clashes, and they are entirely different from the 2008 riots. I propose
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There is violence, even endemic, but this is not necessarily an insurgency, per the reasons mentioned above: an insurgency is usually understood as a low-level rebellion or civil war, and this is definitely not the case in Greece. With 17N you might have had some reason to call it "urban guerrilla",
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You have a good point maybe 17N and ELA can be indeed call "urban guerrilla". Which is in the conflict region but what about the anarchist groups like SPF or EA? The anarchist groups are violent too (but not that active and deadly as 17N and ELA were). The groups don't attack civilians like ISIL or
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The first source was not one i've added, the two books deal extensively with left wing greek militant groups, one of them, Inside Greek
Terrorism by George Kassimeris, provides a good history of all of the relevant groups and the insurgency in general from its start in the 1970's to the present
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Several of the sources i added are secondary sources, and all of them are relevant to the topic and support the information that i added to the article. There are whole books on this subject, two of which i've used as sources. There are active militant groups engaged in conflict with the Greek
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al-Qaida would do they attack everyone who're capitalists, nationalists and Greek pro-govermnent. Of cource every rebel group can be called as a terrorist group, because there is no commonly accepted definition of "terrorism".
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might be your strongest source but it is little more than a vague overview, and does not cite any specific events aside from relativly minor bank robberies and threats, which happen in many countries.
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