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from 2019 "Liam Mulhall, 38, a fireman who served with the RAAF, said he had been diagnosed with total and permanent disability injuries by six specialists, including two psychiatrists, and told by medical specialists he could not work or be retrained for another job. Mr Mulhall said: "It took me seven months to find out whether they will accept a claim. Even though I have six specialists they kept adding more clauses, more loopholes, more forms, more questions." Mr Mulhall's claim was approved this month because of injuries caused when he was a fireman." That's it.
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Doesn't meet GNG- its all just names on a list from team listings connected to the subject, passing mentions and there are no less than three forum posts?! out of ten references; barely any of the refs appear to be reliable sources to start with. The closest to in depth in an RS we get is the AFR ref
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To piggyback, those 2,950 are mostly match reports, social media links and stats, hits that do not establish notability. As far as I can tell, you're basically left with two very similar articles created after the Black Foxes article that appear to rely almost entirely on quotes from Mr. Mulhall and
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I don't know that he's going to be notable for being the coach of an American Rugby League club that gets little to no independent coverage. And I don't think it's an abuse of AFD considering the subject has had almost 2 months to improve the article since the other AfD and hasn't made any effort to
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Not sure why I'm still engaging here, but not only did I get around 2,950 Google hits in my search for that article just now, but Google hits aren't what we use to determine notability. Removing the quotes brought up... a lot of articles about foxes, since the fox is the state animal of Delaware.
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improve the notability claim beyond adding the aforementioned article and removing article issue templates. Again, I don't think it's encouraging when no one other than the article subject is willing to contribute to the article.
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I'm not agreeing with you. I'm saying that the other article was deleted for not having any reliable sources, and no reliable sources were available to add. It had nothing to do with the SNG.
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as the subject has not played for a top-level rugby league club or represented his nation in a major tournament. The sources are mostly non-independent or merely mentions of him. There's a
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appears to have had player RLN applied to a club, where this player and coach of this club would fail notability but the club itself would not be constrained by those rules.
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As far as I can tell, the subject of the article is the only editor who's added any significant content, which isn't much.
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I have to show they're inappropriate when the article that was the suggested redirect was recently deleted?
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which you are required to consider before nominating for deletion. And you also need to remember that
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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No worries, google came up with 743k pages, I'm sure you just missed those by mistake.
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was closed as "no consensus" and no real improvement has been made to the page.
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is from a site that solicits article submissions so it doesn't qualify as an
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and has never been significantly covered by a non-independent source per
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Knowledge needs to start enforcing its policies against autobiographies.
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I don't see significant independent coverage of him that would meet
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The fact that the club has an article means that there is a valid
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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