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361:, this would put undue weight on the Libreboot subject, in the coreboot article it would be appropriate. The current content of the article can be kept since it is reliable sourced. In case more in-depth articles can be found about Libreboot, I am open to change my mind and vote for keeping the article, but for now I agree with the nominator it does not meet the 502:
but otherwise meet guidelines. If Libreboot is buried within the coreboot article, then people won't as easily be able to find out about it. The Libreboot's own homepage shows how different it is to coreboot; merging with coreboot would be like talking about GNU Emacs on the Linux article, just because Emacs happens to run under Linux.
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I don't think the Libreboot article should be deleted. It is quite distinct from coreboot and clearly meets Knowledge (XXG) notability guidelines. It has clear sources provided, from notable organizations and people. I can point to countless other articles on Knowledge (XXG) that are similarly light,
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now call Libreboot. They want to include some self-published (or is it primary, or secondary?) cites for including selected, marketing info, such as devices available from the marketing arm of Libreboot-ORG. On the other hand, they want to exclude other similar, but maybe more reliable, cites for
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The article has changed substantially since this AfD was opened, with many good edits by Yae4, so I think it would be prudent to accept the withdrawal of the AfD. The topic is in flux so there will be more work ahead, but that wouldn't be made easier by a merge to another article.
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I don't support the withdrawl of this AfD since other people already voted for different viewpoints. If everyone revises their standpoint then sure, but for now the closer needs to evaluate the consensus of this discussion.
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In a hypothetical world where there aren't very many Linux distributions, and one of them was notable enough to be mentioned on Knowledge (XXG) but not enough to get its own article, redirecting to a section of
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Emacs is an application that runs on Linux. Libreboot isn't an application that runs on Coreboot. Libreboot's own homepage explicitly says it's largely the same software, and characterizes the difference as:
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I have been unable to find sufficient sourcing to justify a stand-alone article on Libreboot.org (and/or the associated business). My suggestion is merge and redirect to
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As I understand it from citations, Libreboot from Libreboot.at will be "the same software without proprietary binaries." Libreboot from Libreboot.org has "
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also call Libreboot. It seems these editors also want to exclude basic history: What is currently called Libreboot-ORG, was previously called Gluglug,
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now is essentially one paragraph, not counting the repetition in the lead. One paragraph is hardly an over-weight addition to a stub like
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to be solely about (i.e. advertising for) the latest manifestation of a small business trying to sell computers that boot with what
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Update: I have found a few more, more or less reliable and independent sources covering "Libreboot", such as coverage in
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does not include the word "secondary". Yes, in general we say we prefer secondary, if we can agree what it is. :) --
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If Libreboot is buried within the coreboot article, then people won't as easily be able to find out about it.
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This is true and a good reason to prefer keeping the article in my view. But for this, we need the sources.
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In the same way that Alpine Linux is a Linux distribution, Libreboot is a coreboot distribution.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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It is quite distinct from coreboot and clearly meets Knowledge (XXG) notability guidelines.
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and Libreboot is essentially the same software without proprietary binaries. If merged to
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outside this topic. and geolocates to UK, home of Libreboot org and their business.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Strictly speaking, an AfD with only keep or merge opinions is
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written about, or at least mentioned in a couple places, in
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The surface issue here is sourcing. The root issue here is
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proprietary binary blobs removed from coreboot", quoting
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