361:, this would put undue weight on the Libreboot subject, in the coreboot article it would be appropriate. The current content of the article can be kept since it is reliable sourced. In case more in-depth articles can be found about Libreboot, I am open to change my mind and vote for keeping the article, but for now I agree with the nominator it does not meet the
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Libreboot is buried within the coreboot article, then people won't as easily be able to find out about it. The Libreboot's own homepage shows how different it is to coreboot; merging with coreboot would be like talking about GNU Emacs on the Linux article, just because Emacs happens to run under Linux.
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Libreboot article should be deleted. It is quite distinct from coreboot and clearly meets Knowledge (XXG) notability guidelines. It has clear sources provided, from notable organizations and people. I can point to countless other articles on Knowledge (XXG) that are similarly light,
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Libreboot. They want to include some self-published (or is it primary, or secondary?) cites for including selected, marketing info, such as devices available from the marketing arm of Libreboot-ORG. On the other hand, they want to exclude other similar, but maybe more reliable, cites for
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Emacs is an application that runs on Linux. Libreboot isn't an application that runs on
Coreboot. Libreboot's own homepage explicitly says it's largely the same software, and characterizes the difference as:
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