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So the list is a valid, notable topic for a page. I expect that some of the content on the current page is there because of previous deletion discussions or prods that moved the content to a list page, and I dislike the tendency to merge pages into a list and then nominate the list for deletion. That
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not only are there no independent reliable sources to explain this collection, but there are only two deities that have any sources at all, and they're all primary sources. This overall concept hasn't generated enough third party coverage to support a stand-alone article. I suppose there's a
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