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Video games are not my topic, but wouldn’t a list of published games be self-verifying in the same way that a list of published books is? A work of any kind is a reliable source for its own content, it’s only when facts outside the work’s “four corners” or interpretations are asserted that secondary
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The effort could be put in to include reliable sources, but (1) it'd be good to have a hard percentage on what number of entries would be needed in order for this article to escape deletion, and (2) neither I nor anyone else would want to put that effort in, only to have the article deleted on other
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series has gone through the hands of many developers, many genres, and many platforms, so this list of hundreds upon hundreds of games is already absurdly difficult to maintain and fix. Lots of these games I couldn't even find basic information on in Google, especially from reliable sources, so what
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from whether that site is a reliable source. I made no claims about whether the source was reliable in that discussion, and specifically raised the issue of reliability in this thread because I wanted an answer. That is a very far cry from "insisting that be used", and I ask that you retract your
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And remember, we're talking about a list, which clearly has criteria that are distinct from an ordinary article; in general, precedent seems to be that a list of works of a notable entity is itself deserving of inclusion as long as some of the individual works are notable, which is the case here.
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relevant that there are numerous established articles that have the exact traits you described earlier, i.e. lists that include "hundreds upon hundreds of games" and "many developers, many genres, and many platforms". If those traits are shared by an article that's considered acceptable and one
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that it needs to be addressed. But neither I nor anyone else want to waste their time meticulously referencing each entry in this article without assurances that the same standard will be applied to this list as to other, established lists of works from notable entities.
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and just a fraction here are wikilinked. There's no relevant information about what games they are, how they were received, etc. It's completely unsourced right now; looking through the WP:VG/RS custom Google
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be used for this article, and it should also be cut from any and all other similar articles. I don't know why you insist it be used when it clearly should not, you're again going by
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