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1441:- it would be good to stop blindly following arbitrary Knowledge (XXG) blahblahblah rules and instead think of the common interest for society. This is an article that will help to inform people and make them take the virus more seriously. Why is it that so many articles about irrelevant writers or people who starred in 1 porn movie in 1971 are kept, but not a list of victims of an ongoing pandemic? I truly don't get the logic of Wikipedians. I hope that you guys will follow the path of wisdom. -- 738:(didn't know the latter was so common...). Recentism? perhaps, yet so is literally everything related to COVID-19. I'd also question whether WP:BDP really is an issue here -- not only are the deaths verified by reliable sources, but rather 'dying from COVID-19' doesn't exactly strike me as being something salacious. FWIW, I personally was curious to see which notable individuals passed away due to the virus, and evidently the 876:, but this seems much more manageable and appropriate (as well as inevitable). We're already seeing this supported by lots of reliable sources treating this subject as a group, covering SALAT/LISTPEOPLE. Certainly limit the list to those well-supported by reliable sources, and to notable people with articles, but beyond that I don't see a problem here. — 1208:
I think this is important data worth consolidating in one place and referring to, to shore up what the pandemic's losses might add up to over weeks and months - I agree that there are other similar lists of people by cause of death, and this one can be further updated in real time, which is useful. I
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I really can't see any rationale for it to be deleted at this point - we have other similar lists of people by cause of death, and this one can be further updated in real time, which is useful. Furthermore, I've been checking it every day, and I see others have been as well. So from that (admittedly
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of persons who have died from COVID-19 is itself notable. The pandemic and the casualties in general (i.e. the numbers, the locales etc...) have obviously been discussed at length, but the celebrity/famous deaths have by & large? No. Leave the mentions to their respective biographical articles.
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That would be rather disingenuous. There was a question raised on the talk page as to whether deaths tangentially related to the pandemic, but it was never presented as a proposal and has little support. The likelihood of it ever happening will be virtually removed if the proposed article move,
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Less time spent with ad hominems and more time actually addressing the merit of the deletion discussion would be of a benefit to everyone, I'd say. As several editors have already weighed-in, attempting to short-circuit the afd on technical grounds would be rather contentious.
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that this was an attempt to recreate a list after a contentious AfD and deletion review ended with a firm delete. Trout to the creator for circumventing the procedures to recreate an article/list that will waste valuable editor time rehashing protracted arguments.
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I can see this being a complicated list, what are all the qualifiers here to be included on the list? Will the pandemic last in to 2021?? A whole year? That could include a lot of people. For that I think the list could fail due to content size. Then I suggest
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Actually, a quote of the closing statement of the previous AfD is "Ultimately there is a consensus that a list of deaths would be notable and comply with other policies and guidelines if adequately sourced (though note that WP:BLP does apply to the recently
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people. Recentism and completely unnecessary. This will grow out of hand and become unworkable, even if it's just a tiny fraction of the 945,000 living people on Knowledge (XXG). This is best managed by self-maintaining categories from individual articles.
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is a colossal Featured List. The BLP concern is not an argument, reliable sources are required for every page on Knowledge (XXG) and there are lists of deaths where the cause would be much more stigmatised, such as the aforementioned drug overdose page or
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The nonimator has been recently re-active on Knowledge (XXG) for only AFD, see also other editor's comment on his talk page. The user's last edit was in 2018 and back recently. Isn't this strange? So, we need check user for this user. Thanks
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the job of an encyclopedia to create or maintain an incomplete list with arbitrary inclusion or exclusion criteria. NLists should be focussed. I will think on it some more. It seems that these Carona lists and articles are popping up like
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puts it well in their explanation. (Additionally, where there was no consensus on the "List of people WITH it" discussion, there was definitely a consensus to keep a well-sourced "List of DEATHS from COVID-19"
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I have edited my original nomination to reflect what is being discussed on the talk page, that any deaths even tangentially related to the pandemic should be included (e.g. drank bleach or committed suicide).
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are relatively rare, and much easier to source and track. Also, based on the comments above evidencing other questionable edits by the nominator, I am unsure whether this is a good faith nomination.
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Changing the title won't change the underlying fact that a list of people who contracted a common disease is not encyclopedic, and has the potential to balloon into an indiscriminate list of trivia.
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I agreed with deleting the list of infected as for most people it is an illness of minor length and seriousness. Cause of death however is obviously more notable for a person's biography.
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Highly relevant and useful. Will continue to be relevant and useful long after the pandemic is over. Exactly the sort of information that should be and is aggregated on Knowledge (XXG).
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The nominator, not quite unsurprisingly, has been blocked as a sock. My text which they removed above calling it a personal attack was that we do not show good faith towards vandals.--
581:. I'd argue that the difference between a list of living people with this virus (and fluidity in sources) and a list of dead people because of the virus is that of night and day. — 1338:
Clearly relevant and encyclopedic list. Why would we intentionally make it more difficult for our readers to find encyclopedic information about a topic of extreme importance?
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That is inflammatory and a personal attack. It has no place in an AfD debate. Please stick to the merits of this discussion.
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So the one entry that gave you what you came for made you sad. Did the other seventy just disappoint? Or something better?
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for the other, more broad article "List of people with coronavirus disease 2019". At that discussion, I argued
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I look at this list every day. Lots of people are looking at it. That alone makes it worthy of keeping. --
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kept a list of ongoing pandemic victims. Because we listen to Wikipedians, not logic (it's all good).
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narrow) perspective alone, it's something people are interested in, and should be kept accordingly. --
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per all of the above. Clearly defined criteria, non-trivial, able to be maintained, high readership.
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Have you considered how the overwhelming majority of preceding Wikipedians are blahblahblahing
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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you, at least as far as this society's arbitrary rules and common interest goes? Also, there
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has lists related to disease, overdose, suicide, execution, genocide, murder - all morbid.
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This virus has clearly developed a rich taste for the arts, so if anything I'm surprised. —
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includes several lists which are far longer and far less related to each other -
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Notable deaths is fine and manageable unlike the list of everybody with it.♦
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Exactly, if that happens then we can think about it at that point. Not now.
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Relevant and encyclopedic. No clear rationale behind this deletion request.
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I will withhold my !vote until I see what arguments other editors make.
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What you say is very generic and applies to almost any list, take
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The list is not trivial and definitely encyclopedic, so it meets
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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want a reference like this. - Jeanmarine2 - 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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Inspiring filler creation (requiring more deletion later).
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