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436:. To my lay-eyes at least, those words seem to overlap each other such that merging might be appropriate in one direction or another, but are not vague comparatives like "fast" such that I don't get the nominator's concern. Indoor/outdoor seems a rather clear and binary distinction. But if there is an issue with these descriptions or classifications, this might be the sort of subject-specific distinction that would be best discussed first at 494:
being "incomplete"; completion is not relevant (nor possible) if all we're doing is listing articles we have that fit the inclusion criteria (just as a category does), and not making any statement that "this is a complete list of all the indoor roller coasters that exist." And if a roller coaster is notable, then certainly whether it is indoors or not would be documented in reliable sources.
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The categories are related because they are just another format for presenting/organizing the same content. So if we're talking about a problem with the classification upon which this list is based, then certainly the categories would have the same issue. I don't understand your comment about a list
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building" in running text. This doesn't mean the use of an adjective justifies a standalone article. Other than an definition (which is unnecessary by the way), there's nothing else to state. Merging to "indoor roller coaster" kicks the can down the road, as that article will/should be listed in an
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The main WikiProject is, for the most part, inactive. There are a handful of editors left, but unless manually pinged, they're not likely to respond. I left a notification there pointing to this AfD when I first opened it. I'm not sure I follow the logic here about how the categories are related.
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Well we certainly don't need separate lists and categories for "indoor" vs. "enclosed", so at the very least, one should be merged into the other. Based on Google News searches, "indoor" seems to be the predominant category. My point above was that you have to draw a line at some point to avoid
336:"Indoor roller coaster" suffers the same issue. This isn't an industry-defined term, and the article will never contain enough information to justify its existence. 90% of the content now consists of an unsourced list. The brief 1-2 sentence description can be merged to 55:. Some roller coasters are indeed "enclosed", but there is no reliable source suggesting a consistent distinction of encyclopedic note between those that are "indoor" and those that are "enclosed"; or distinguishing between the thematic type of enclosure. 513:
over-categorization, and tracking whether a roller coaster is indoor vs outdoor seems like a trivial detail in which to base a category or list upon. A personal website run by some enthusiast, sure. In an encyclopedia? Not so much. --
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needed to have its own list. There aren't any reliable sources tracking this, so there's no doubt this would be an incomplete list at any given time. I am also notifying WikiProject Amusement Parks.
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so that a comprehensive view of all of this content can be developed rather than just poking at one list. Subsequent AFDs and CFDs could then point to that talk page discussion for background.
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AfD as well. If a roller coaster that's enclosed is notable enough to have its own article, the description "enclosed", "indoor", etc., can be mentioned there. --
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which was also nominated for deletion. I agree that two articles converting essentially the same concept is unnecessary, but should keep one or the other. -
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and has its own article, therefore the list of coasters within each category would be incomplete. Also any article that attempts to create a list of
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The phrase "enclosed roller coaster" is not an industry-defined term. It's simply one editor's idea that roller coasters that are
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roller coasters would likely be incomplete as well, as the list itself is not based on any reliable sources. Seems like
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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They would have their own inherent problems, because not every coaster in existence passes
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and remove the list aspect. The article kind of already exists at
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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