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470:). People, even high-ranking businesspeople, change their employers all the time. The alleged correlation between "being a former McKinsey consultant" and "getting a nice position later" is unclear and exaggerated (and already briefly mentioned in the main article anyway). I'll also note, that one of the main sources for the list topic's alleged significance is not a "study", but a reader editor's pseudo-scientific news article in 767:, chairman and CEO of Levi Strauss. Other McKinsey alumni held top positions at General Electric, PepsiCo, Merrill Lynch, and Raychem. The ranks of McKinsey alumni have formed a powerful network of top executives around the world. They call on other McKinsey alumni when they are hiring or when they need information, and they call on McKinsey when they need the services of a consulting firm. 410:
many people, the single most interesting thing about McKinsey is the fact that it has produced by far the highest number of CEOs per capita of any firm. If you delete this page you should also delete the Notable former employees of Goldman Sachs and the category page for Boston Consulting Group. Sorry im new to this so I am sure i havnt got the right protocal but this is really absurd.
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Firm. If not, it gently pushes them out. The internal talent pool is further distilled and the Firm extends its web of potential contacts and customers. As a result, McKinsey alumni are famously loyal. Even those who spoke on background for this article – and had left the partnership years earlier – occasionally slipped back into the first person plural when talking about the Firm.
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suggested that just as the University of North Carolina “manufactures” basketball stars, and the University of Michigan “cranks out” football stars, so too was there a CEO factory in the country—McKinsey. The network is without a doubt the most powerful the world has ever seen. “You don’t realize it until you’re gone,” IBM chief
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McKinsey wasn’t just in finance, though; it was everywhere. By the late 1990s the CEOs of America West Airlines, American Express, Delta, Dun & Bradstreet, IBM, Levi Strauss, Morgan Stanley, Polaroid, and USG were former McKinseyites. In 1999 Fortune ran a story titled “CEO Super Bowl.” The story
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This isnt a company directory. That is absurd. That would be like saying the Notbale alumni page of Harvard University is a former student directory. I think you forget just how rare it is to be the CEO of fortune 500 company and how noteworthy it is that McKinsey has produced so many. In the view of
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That seems, in the present context, fine: the general theme of the references is that one big part of McKinsey's significance in the world is its roster of "graduates". In order to document the company in a way that reflects the content of the sources, we need to talk about that, and a spin-off list
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as an encyclopedic subsection of a parent article on the notable company too large to be contained therein. This is just a list of notable people who worked for a notable company, which is compliant with NOTDIR as a standard, consensus-supported method of indexing articles (see extensive contents of
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Needs references to show that the subject of former McKinsey employees per se is actually notable, rather than individual former employees, or passing references in articles that important people used to work there. Can you imagine, say, a list of former teachers? Former Marines? I think people are
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The powerful alumni network is in part the fruit of McKinsey’s policy of “up or out” – perhaps the best example in global business of a mutually beneficial rolling redundancy programme. Every two or three years, McKinsey determines whether its consultants will make progress to the next level in the
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Although top graduates from the top business schools may not have considered consulting the answer to their dreams, few candidates for jobs at McKinsey ever turned down a job there. For decades it has been an effective stepping stone to management positions in the country's largest corporations.
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there are undoubtedly enough to merit a standalone list as a split from the parent. Whether each particular individual's connection is substantive enough to merit inclusion in the list or the category is a matter for ordinary editing, and the list can also annotate just what the relationship is.
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Admittedly the suitability of such lists is a matter of opinion - editors can disagree in good faith about what is "encyclopedic" or not with some leeway in-between. But I agree with other editors that this list is not of encyclopedic value (per
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I can see your position now, your comment was well considered and I came along with a blunt delete, I didn't read your comment or any of the others before my vote. It appears you have greatly influenced the user below however.
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They don’t only make news with their appointments, either. They make it with their actions. The man calling the shots on the Vodafone side of that $ 130 billion deal with Verizon a few weeks back? That would be CEO
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This is closer to a "list of notable alumni" for a university than it is a company directory. Restricting to blue-linked individuals is enough to keep the page from becoming an indiscriminate heap.
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based on primary data with a simplified one-dimensional interpretation of the results. Such popular articles are fun to read, but don't automatically establish a relevant encyclopedic topic.
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advised former German Chancellor Helmut Kohl on business and economic matters. Even more visible are some of McKinsey’s “alumni,” who have gone on to senior positions around the world:
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was ex-McKinsey. Between May 2000 and December 2001, while he was driving Enron into the ground, Skilling had more than 20 meetings with two of his old buddies from McKinsey, partners
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being swayed by the above references, but examining each in turn none of them is actually about the subject of former McKinsey employees, instead they are about McKinsey.
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A big part of McKinsey’s influence in the financial sector was due to its alumni network. In 1996 the firm had well-placed alumni in the management suites of SBC Warburg (
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does not apply because this is list of notable former employees of McKinsey & Company and per postdlf is a "consensus-supported method of indexing articles" per
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I have no opinion about related categories yet. Categories serve a different purpose, follow different rules and should be discussed in a different venue (at
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The book says McKinsey alumni include: Chicago Board of Trade's chairman, Gillette's board chair, Levi's chairman, a Google co-leader, CNBC's co-leader
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Last week brought more news of high-level appointments. On Sept. 6, French satellite provider Eutelsat Communications appointed former McKinseyite
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Note that the result could have changed if we had chosen different CEOs, which we easily might have, especially for Team McKinsey. Candidates:
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People do not understand how hardwired McKinsey is into the power grid of business, nor how annexed it is to the Harvard Business School. ...
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as SVP of global strategy. That was less than a month after it appointed one of McKinsey’s highest-profile female consultants, senior partner
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It doesn’t only happen on the individual level. Consider Enron, which had McKinsey written all over it. Enron CEO-turned-convict
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Mr. Davis is ascending to the top of an organization widely regarded as a training ground for CEOs. It counts among its alumni
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Squads of former McKinsey consultants hold top positions at PepsiCo and American Express. Former McKinsey consultants included
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Ill add one more source from Forbes in 2016: Why McKinsey & Company's Alumni Network is crucial to its success.
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But lately it has found itself in an unwelcome spotlight, mostly because of the celebrity of such firm alumni as
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as the group’s director of strategy. On Sept. 3, Avon Products appointed long-time McKinsey consultant
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Stein, Wendy J. (2006) . "McKinsey & Company, Inc.". In Kepos, Paula; Derdak, Thomas (eds.).
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Why should we care whether this particular list satisfies LISTN, instead of another analysis?
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Several senior McKinsey partners have risen to international prominence in their own right.
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This aspect of the company is already covered in several sub-sections of "Organization" in
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House of Lies: How Management Consultants Steal Your Watch and Then Tell You the Time
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was an early player at Apax Partners, one of England’s largest private equity shops.
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of individuals who are wiki-notable for other reasons is a sensible way to do so.
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left McKinsey to become CEO of private equity powerhouse Clayton Dubilier.
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and potentially excessively long as there are 27k employees worldwide
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