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598:). What about software whose developers make money via a pay-what-you-want (optional) model? What about commercial software later released into the public domain? What about ad-supported software? What about open source software produced by a commercial entity that helps to make them money in indirect ways? Two of the three examples at the end (I'm not familiar with Free Studio) are software available for free...that encourage premium upgrades. Where is the line between freeware and freemium then? 589:
profit, but might be distributed for a business or commercial purpose in the aim to expand the marketshare of a "premium" product. According to the Free Software Foundation, "freeware" is a loosely defined category and it has no clear accepted definition, although FSF says it must be distinguished from free software (libre). Popular examples of closed-source freeware include Adobe Reader, Free Studio and Skype.
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as navigational aids to narrower topics. The question, then, is whether "freeware" is similarly too broad. I say it is. Counting all releases of all software ever produced and factoring in the various gray areas involved in defining such a term as freeware, the number of potential entries is massive
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Freeware (portmanteau of "free" and "software") is software that is available for use at no monetary cost or for an optional fee, but usually (although not necessarily) closed source with one or more restricted usage rights. Freeware is in contrast to commercial software, which is typically sold for
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No, they're legitimate questions. I had the same thoughts, too. I'm generally more forgiving when it comes to lists than I am when it comes to other types of articles. There are certainly articles in PC magazines and web sites that discuss lists of freeware as a concept, and that satisfies
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talks about lists not being too broad or too narrow. It does not go into much detail and certainly doesn't say "delete if too long," though. Nonetheless, to say the argument that a list topic is too broad isn't a valid argument to delete is to say
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Unless someone can point me to a policy saying lists should be deleted if they're too long. Restrict to notable items. (I guess there's an argument that it's hard to verify, but any review should list the price or absence of price.)
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this list notable. It's probably a good time to also note that current list seems to have multiple issues and has been made by someone very subjectively. How do we decide what makes it to that list and what doesn't?
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everyone above have been arguing the list is notable, but why? How is a focus-less list of ALL (notable) freeware programs notable? I am boldy saying it's not, and surely the individual software's notability
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only negates that rationale for deletion; it isn't itself a keep argument (i.e. "existing category doesn't mean delete the list" isn't the same as "existing category means keep the list"). --—
438:. I agree that the topic seems unmaintainably wide, but it's a valid topic for a list. If it gets too big, it can always be split. The biggest problem right now is the lack of citations. 565:
This is a reasonable argument, but we could always tighten the inclusion criteria if necessary. Also, the difficulty in defining the term is easily offloaded to reliable sources.
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because it is a useful list. Yes, I know that is not a reason for keeping anything, and some editors say it is an argument for deletion. I am free to express my contrary opinion.--
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I'm being annoying now with my rhetorical questions, I know. Just trying to reinforce my point that it's much too broad and ill-defined for its own list. --—
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Tightening the inclusion criteria for this list would divorce it from the way we cover the subject, which is intensely wishy-washy (
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is on that list but it's not even a freeware (it's a freemium). The same is true about
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and subcategories therein. If this list becomes too long, it can always be
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But the nominator didn't nominate on the basis of duplicating a category.
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There are literally thousands of items that can fit, many non-notable.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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into new articles per type (e.g. image viewers, email, etc.).
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first time I've used those two words together, I think
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per above - Clearly notable & the list is fine.
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is ok as long as it's limited to notable items. --—
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