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780:- thanks for your edits. Could you find an alternate link for the fourth source (I've marked it as dead), as it takes me to Sutta Central but then is a network error. I'm not sure if this was part of your edits. It certainly has fewer weaknesses - I just need to assess it as having now got enough strengths.
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