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Maurice Walsh, who translated the Digha Nikaya, probably has some updated footnotes on this list of games. Second, we've got a mention in the text of a third-party mention- in the history book mentioned at the end of the article. The book is on Amazon, and is an Oxford University imprint, so it seems like a good, academic source; if someone can get a hold of that book, they can add what Murray says about it. The context clearly needs to be added, but it seems that reliable references exist. Another option if there isn't sufficient information to sustain an entire article would be to merge with the
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It's an interesting philosophical question. If it was meant like law, and one can do anything which is not forbidden, he would play any other game. Which is not probable, because by slight change of rules, a new game can be created, which he would consider forbidden as well. Or he might have thought
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