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doesn't reveal anything and no one in the discussion has provided anything discussing this cross-category. Ultimately this is just trying to tie together an inherently notable thing (being a state leader) with something not inherently notable (longevity). Sources do speak about the oldest current
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This article is really very interesting for the reader and much work has been done on it, with credible sources validating the quoted ages. The existence of the page helps study on political leaders and can serve as a redirection page for the visitors of wikipedia to see the whole pages of these
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I can see Your point, but I politely disagree. You are asking: "to what end?" Of course, this is just my opinion, but I think the fine line would be "if all subjects on the list are notable according to the Wiki standards". For example, all
Olympic competitors would be notable and I don't see a
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But many things about state leaders are mentioned in the news. My concern is going down the trivia path. If we go that way, then how about other things mentioned n the news, e.g. number of girl friends? Would that be interesting? Encyclopedic? What is certain is that if that list is built
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