592:, must prove their own notability if they want their own articles. The rules apply to every article; there's no "free pass" to sub-articles, precisely to prevent non-notable elements of notable or large topics running riot with endless articles providing endless details, which is not what an encyclopedia is about. To give a subject encyclopedic coverage there must be real-world context and appropriate sources, and there is neither here.
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to be - until the guideline says something different, that's what it says. As for Harry Potter, that kind of thing will always have concensus to keep, if not actual valid reasoning. A bit less votecounting and a bit more consideration of arguments from the closing admins in those situations wouldn't
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I don't mean to say that guidelines are useless and we should give them no weight -- just that we should be weary of cases where they may not be accurate codifications of consensus, and we should give them weight inasmuch as we can trust in that accuracy. Maybe I overstated my complaint above. —
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