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defenders are really interested in preserving this in some manner, they could make sure each novel listed states the novels pov in its article, and create categories for each pov type: in addition to Category:Point of view, have Category:First person narrative novels, second person narrative, etc. we already have Category:Fiction with unreliable narrators, which is a good category in this vein. then they could build up article lists within the categories. lots of work, but i really see that as the only way to do this. this article is essentially a teaching guide for a class, not an encyclopedia article. The main defender of this article, TheEditrix2, admits he wrote it to help teach writers, and his user page doesnt exactly facilitate cooperation on articles. really, thats just rude!
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profile is "rude" (c.f. MercuryWoodRose's irrelevent assessment of me personality, above) is that I tired of warring over nonsense. I shall now retire to a corner and weep because once again, my well intended efforts to contribute useful educational information have been poo'ed upon. And why? Is Knowledge (XXG) running short on server space? Is the Internet about to overrun its bandwidth? Leaving it alone would do NO harm, and deleting will make Knowledge (XXG) a slightly less helpful (and a less kind) place. But there you go. I shall leave, again, for an extended period of time to tend to my disapointment in the human race. Sigh. --
423:. The problem with making an entire list is that every work of fiction ever written would fall into one of the categories on the list. Even if the list could be limited to a handful of representative examples for each type of narration, it's unlikely that one could find a representative sample of books that are so well-known that the mere mention of the title is enough to be educational. It's better that examples like 390:. The purpose of Knowledge (XXG) is to present facts, not to teach subject matter. Besides, it seems that the list's educational value is inversely proportional to the list's size. If properly maintained, it'll have to house thousands, if not tens of thousands, of entries, and lists of this size are neither educational nor 480:
That's very poignant. But who said that the information couldn't be contributed to Knowledge (XXG)? The debate is over whether it ought to be in a separate article all its own. There are plenty of existing articles where these examples could be added. The main thing to remember is that if one is
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because it serves an educational purpose. Plese read talk page for explanation of its educational value. Numerous of my editing clients have been sent to the page, as have my teenaged writing students, kids who didn't otherwise grasp the fine differences between various literary POVs. The POV page
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Unnecessary list attempting to organize novels by "point of view", which is completely unsourced personal views of what constitutes a "well known example" (per the lead). Well-known to who? What source says these are the best novels for each point-of-view and only these specific ones? The scope is
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I don't wish to pout or argue. But to those who gleefully join in AFDs, may I just point out how discouraging it is to contributors when their serious efforts to contribute useful information to Knowledge (XXG) are dismissed and deleted on specious interpretations of obscure rules? The reason my
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this is an impossible to maintain article. the name of the article demands that it be a list of all notable novels sorted by point of view. thats not an appropriate article subject. examples of novels with certain pov's could be listed in the articles on various povs. however, if the articles
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going to create a new article, then there are basic rules to follow, the main ones being to list one's sources of information and to avoid "original synthesis". The rules are less strict when it comes to adding to articles that are already in place.
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as the subject is too broad to be manageable since it would include every novel we have. The category system works much better for this type of organization.
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far too broad for any kind of valid list, and one cannot just randomly pick novels to say "here are examples of this kind or that kind" of POV.
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I tend to agree with TheEditrix that it's helpful to have illustrations of the different types of narrative described in
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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are extremely popular among writers, the list is simply too broad in scope to be useful or maintainable. —
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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already covers the basics of the actual topic of point of view. This list appears to fail
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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