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297:- attempting to list every politician who has ever committed a crime is going to become an indiscriminate mess of notable and non-notable persons, so we'll then have the usual fights over notable and non-notable politicians. There will be the obligatory BLP violations. The edit warring over convictions which have been appealed, overturned, dismissed, pardoned etc. We don't have any indication of the inclusion criteria, will parking tickets or trivial criminal code violations warrant inclusion on the list, and if so, we're then back to BLP violations once again. What about those politicians convicted more than once of the same offence, or of difference offences, on different dates. I will support the creation of a couple of very specific lists - 326:. I agree that this is overbroad as structured; note that it's a new creation by a new editor. But that just means this would be best served as a list of lists. The nominator and commenter above are off base in thinking that this is something that can't or shouldn't be listed, as it is something that we categorize (and "it's too hard" is not a deletion argument). 625:, indiscriminate list. Splitting might be worth it, but it would take someone willing to do it. People tend not to follow through on promises made in AfDs about improving articles. Also, it seems kind of pointless to have lists for topics that already have categories. Which are basically lists. -- 664:. Such a large list, it really will neither ever be complete nor focused enough to be useful. You might as well have a list of politicians who wore ties. A more focused list, capital crimes or a specific category of crime, may be useful; this list is not that. 438:. This is an indiscriminate list topic, but in agreement with some of the other contributors to this discussion I would prefer to split this into sub-lists based on either nationality or type of crime. This could be a discussion after AfD. 201: 725:, etc. Way too vague/problematic/indiscriminate. If someone wants to create a list of lists, that's fine, but that's not remotely what this page is, nor the title a list of lists would exist at, so there's no point keeping. — 330:
has a very well developed subcategory structure that sublists could parallel, such as by nationality, or by particular crime such as corruption, etc. We do have some more targeted lists existing here and there, such as
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I would guess the number of entries possible here would be somewhere in the millions. This list is unmanageable and fairly indiscriminate aside from "convicted of a crime" and is a BLP nightmare waiting to happen.
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Vague, potentially enormous, better handled as categories. And why is it particularly interesting if someone who was a governor or a state senator is convicted of some minor offense unrelated to their political
309:, but if we're including general crimes, most of which will have been committed outwith public office, I can't see how it's notable or will ever be anything other than an indiscriminate collection of data. 381: 195: 480:. I think it should not exist in present state. The lists can be incomplete, but not that much. Lists covering less than 0.0001% of subjects/objects which need to be included are misleading. 127: 122: 131: 371: 332: 114: 502:, this list could aide Knowledge readers for navigation and information. There are plenty of blue links and notable politicians here. We could potentially consider it a dynamic list. 376: 250: 550: 391: 386: 361: 154: 161: 401: 270: 396: 406: 101: 86: 302: 694: 216: 587: 366: 327: 183: 570:
into sublists, as it would be ginormously humungous otherwise. In fact, as Andrew has already demonstrated, there are already sublists out there.
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politicians would be fine, and a list with absolutely clear criteria for inclusion (which respect BLPCRIME, not just V) but LISTN is a guideline
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exist, so no sense not having a list also that shows more information. Split into separate list if it gets too long.
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it must comply with BLP/INDISCRIMINATE. So delete, and consider a new form of list which is policy-compliant.
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This should be reconfigured as a list of lists as we have numerous pages for this already, including:
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which explains that we maintain a variety of methods of navigation, as they complement each other.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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List of politicians convicted by the International Criminal Court
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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does not comply with two of our most fundamental policies
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