507:. Yes, both have to do with the penal system of China, but the re-education through labor program and the Xinjiang re-education camps are not the same. As can be seen in their respective articles, the re-education through labor program dealt with petty crimes on a national scale (until it was outlawed in 2013), whereas the Xinjiang re-education camps are officially stated to be for counter-terrorism efforts in Xinjiang province (which began in 2017). If you do feel so strongly that the topics are the same, this is not the place to try and remove the distinction. (Knowledge has separate articles on the two subjects for a reason...)
738:
this issue has gotten, that it's not notable. The major issue is whether it's a fork, or irrelevant as a list. That's a call on whether you like lists or prefer categories. I'm in favor of both, particularly when it would help our core readership, students. The remaining issues are not addressable
527:
they have done it with 1 to 3 million
Muslims. I recall them doing this to the Buddhist monks in Tibet, enslaving their monks to be tortured and used for slave labor. They held people for minor crimes, without trial, and used it to eliminate religions, doing this then and now. So it is the same
624:
have repeatedly found that statement to be as much of a lie as the promise that all the
Xinjiang camp prisoners have been freed. I agree with buidhe that we should keep this consistent with the pages on forced labor and political re-education camps in other brutal regimes.
264:
This is certainly a sensitive topic, and some of the facilities (those with their own, individual sources) could make for good articles on their own (e.g. Trisam RTL), but serve little use here coupled with hundreds of others here without citation or notability.
260:
The article's sources are all from before 2013, which is when the Re-education through labor program was ended in China - this article makes no mention of the change. The references themselves could be improved as well if edits are to be made to this article.
206:
293:
312:
515:
238:
132:
127:
136:
342:
I don't think this is bad enough to deserve TNT. Ideally someone would work on cleaning it up and develop a clear inclusion criteria. We have comprehensive lists of subcamps of Nazi concentration camps (such as
119:
52:. Keeping. These still exist, the article can be improved (over TNT) and it just needs attention. Please consider improving before anything else. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith!
200:
634:
612:
551:
463:
439:
404:
365:
331:
253:
to back up claims (e.g. "Has some former drug users acting as staff" without citation as a note for one facility in Yunnan province). Many of the facilities on their own likely do not meet
454:. The few sourced entries can be merged into the main article, but most of the list is unsourced and unverifiable. The Xinjiang camps are a different topic, not part of the RTL system. -
123:
166:
159:
115:
67:
269:
If proper sources could be found, the easiest thing to do may be just to delete this article in its entirety and create a new, more proper and verifiable one instead. (
706:
413:
221:
654:
188:
320:
301:
106:
748:
585:
491:
61:
569:
468:
Really? They don't all do mindless brainwashing exercises, teach people why they must be a certain way, and forced manual labor in one form or another?
91:
520:
182:
373:
They did not close them down in 2013. The BBC has video footage of one they used to imprison
Muslims and "re-educate" them to be proper Chinese.
576:
are two different topics, even though they share many common attributes. They target different populations and exist(ed) in different periods. -
178:
228:
344:
573:
194:
86:
79:
17:
608:
682:
359:
524:
523:
says they previously did it to eliminate the Falun Gong religion which had tens of millions of followers. And now at
504:
378:
100:
96:
681:
Avenue, Human Rights Watch | 350 Fifth; York, 34th Floor | New; t 1.212.290.4700, NY 10118-3299 USA | (2017-09-10).
500:
451:
282:
765:
40:
630:
604:
510:
307:
288:
761:
36:
626:
499:
Dream Focus, I understand the point you are trying to make here, but there is a difference between
214:
374:
57:
620:
the contention that the re-education though labor program ended in 2013 is simply not factual,
744:
731:
700:
658:
324:
75:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
760:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
735:
529:
469:
417:
382:
354:
600:
581:
459:
281:, a good solution/alternative to the article's deletion may be to Merge and Redirect to
254:
246:
242:
723:
270:
53:
740:
739:
at AfD, and a better forum would be the talk page or to temporarily block vandals.
621:
153:
727:
349:
250:
577:
455:
278:
722:. I immediately see a lot of formatting issue with the citations, but noting
661:
237:
This article has many of the same problems from the already deleted page "
412:
Note: This discussion has been included in the
Article Rescue Squadron's
377:
That's not the documentary I saw of theirs, that somewhere else. Anyway
756:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
381:
show more about that. Need to fix the article, not delete it.
375:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps
655:"China abolishes its labour camps and releases prisoners"
599:. This is an informative, important and perfectly valid
149:
145:
141:
683:"China: Free Xinjiang 'Political Education' Detainees"
521:
Masanjia_re-education_through_labor_camp#Establishment
213:
285:, listing the properly sourced facilities there.
116:List of re-education through labor camps in China
68:List of re-education through labor camps in China
43:). No further edits should be made to this page.
768:). No further edits should be made to this page.
319:Note: This discussion has been included in the
300:Note: This discussion has been included in the
603:. Of course there are sources on this subject.
347:) despite the fact that many are not notable.
227:
8:
107:Help, my article got nominated for deletion!
705:: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
570:Immigration detention in the United States
411:
321:list of Lists-related deletion discussions
318:
302:list of China-related deletion discussions
299:
414:list of content for rescue consideration
645:
698:
239:Datong city re-education through labor
7:
24:
241:". The topic itself likely meets
574:Internment of Japanese Americans
92:Introduction to deletion process
345:List of subcamps of Flossenbürg
18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion
1:
653:Moore, Malcolm (2014-01-09).
749:15:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
635:20:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
613:02:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
586:23:55, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
552:19:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
516:19:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
492:12:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
464:06:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
440:05:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
405:05:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
366:03:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
332:00:07, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
313:23:52, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
294:23:52, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
245:as a whole, but has serious
62:18:50, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
525:Xinjiang re-education camps
505:Xinjiang re-education camps
379:Xinjiang re-education camps
82:(AfD)? Read these primers!
785:
501:Re-education through labor
452:Re-education through labor
283:Re-education through labor
758:Please do not modify it.
736:the significant coverage
32:Please do not modify it.
734:could assert, with the
277:As was pointed out by
568:Yes, really, just as
80:Articles for deletion
605:My very best wishes
687:Human Rights Watch
448:Merge and redirect
732:reasonable person
511:Khu'hamgaba Kitap
442:
334:
315:
308:Khu'hamgaba Kitap
289:Khu'hamgaba Kitap
97:Guide to deletion
87:How to contribute
776:
730:noted above. No
711:
710:
704:
696:
694:
693:
678:
672:
671:
669:
668:
650:
548:
545:
542:
539:
536:
533:
488:
485:
482:
479:
476:
473:
436:
433:
430:
427:
424:
421:
401:
398:
395:
392:
389:
386:
364:
329:
232:
231:
217:
169:
157:
139:
77:
34:
784:
783:
779:
778:
777:
775:
774:
773:
772:
766:deletion review
716:
715:
714:
697:
691:
689:
680:
679:
675:
666:
664:
652:
651:
647:
546:
543:
540:
537:
534:
531:
486:
483:
480:
477:
474:
471:
434:
431:
428:
425:
422:
419:
399:
396:
393:
390:
387:
384:
348:
325:
249:issues without
174:
165:
130:
114:
111:
74:
71:
48:The result was
41:deletion review
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
782:
780:
771:
770:
752:
751:
713:
712:
673:
644:
643:
639:
638:
637:
627:Horse Eye Jack
615:
593:
592:
591:
590:
589:
588:
561:
560:
559:
558:
557:
556:
555:
554:
444:
443:
408:
407:
368:
336:
335:
316:
235:
234:
171:
110:
109:
104:
94:
89:
72:
70:
65:
46:
45:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
781:
769:
767:
763:
759:
754:
753:
750:
746:
742:
737:
733:
729:
725:
721:
718:
717:
708:
702:
688:
684:
677:
674:
663:
660:
656:
649:
646:
642:
636:
632:
628:
623:
619:
616:
614:
610:
606:
602:
598:
595:
594:
587:
583:
579:
575:
571:
567:
566:
565:
564:
563:
562:
553:
550:
549:
526:
522:
519:
518:
517:
514:
513:
512:
506:
502:
498:
495:
494:
493:
490:
489:
467:
466:
465:
461:
457:
453:
449:
446:
445:
441:
438:
437:
415:
410:
409:
406:
403:
402:
380:
376:
372:
369:
367:
363:
362:
358:
357:
353:
352:
346:
341:
338:
337:
333:
330:
328:
322:
317:
314:
311:
310:
309:
303:
298:
297:
296:
295:
292:
291:
290:
284:
280:
275:
274:
272:
266:
262:
258:
256:
252:
248:
244:
240:
230:
226:
223:
220:
216:
212:
208:
205:
202:
199:
196:
193:
190:
187:
184:
180:
177:
176:Find sources:
172:
168:
164:
161:
155:
151:
147:
143:
138:
134:
129:
125:
121:
117:
113:
112:
108:
105:
102:
98:
95:
93:
90:
88:
85:
84:
83:
81:
76:
69:
66:
64:
63:
59:
55:
51:
44:
42:
38:
33:
27:
26:
19:
757:
755:
719:
690:. Retrieved
686:
676:
665:. Retrieved
648:
640:
617:
596:
530:
509:
508:
496:
470:
447:
418:
383:
370:
360:
355:
350:
339:
327:CAPTAIN RAJU
326:
306:
305:
287:
286:
276:
268:
267:
263:
259:
236:
224:
218:
210:
203:
197:
191:
185:
175:
162:
73:
49:
47:
31:
28:
201:free images
692:2020-01-24
667:2020-01-24
641:References
762:talk page
662:0307-1235
37:talk page
764:or in a
724:that bad
701:cite web
503:and the
497:Comment:
160:View log
101:glossary
54:Missvain
39:or in a
741:Bearian
528:thing.
255:WP:NOTE
247:WP:NPOV
243:WP:NOTE
207:WP refs
195:scholar
133:protect
128:history
78:New to
728:Buidhe
271:WP:TNT
179:Google
137:delete
726:, as
622:WP:RS
578:Zanhe
547:Focus
487:Focus
456:Zanhe
435:Focus
400:Focus
340:Keep
279:Zanhe
222:JSTOR
183:books
167:Stats
154:views
146:watch
142:links
16:<
745:talk
720:Keep
707:link
659:ISSN
631:talk
618:Keep
609:talk
601:list
597:Keep
582:talk
572:and
460:talk
371:KEEP
356:uidh
251:WP:V
215:FENS
189:news
150:logs
124:talk
120:edit
58:talk
50:keep
450:to
229:TWL
158:– (
747:)
703:}}
699:{{
685:.
657:.
633:)
611:)
584:)
462:)
416:.
323:.
304:.
257:.
209:)
152:|
148:|
144:|
140:|
135:|
131:|
126:|
122:|
60:)
743:(
709:)
695:.
670:.
629:(
607:(
580:(
544:m
541:a
538:e
535:r
532:D
484:m
481:a
478:e
475:r
472:D
458:(
432:m
429:a
426:e
423:r
420:D
397:m
394:a
391:e
388:r
385:D
361:e
351:b
273:)
233:)
225:·
219:·
211:·
204:·
198:·
192:·
186:·
181:(
173:(
170:)
163:·
156:)
118:(
103:)
99:(
56:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.