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579:. The format and subject of most "List of songs about..." articles makes them worth deleting. But this article actually provides the relevant lyrics. This means the article can be more easily verified. It also avoids the trap of picking a too general subject or listing songs that merely use suggestive puns. If someone were to write a paper on masturbation in 20th century popular culture this list could actually be quite helpful.
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