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As I see it, this is clearly synthesis. The only information from external sources is dictionary pronunciation guides. The conclusion that these pronunciations encompass a single phoneme in the relevant language, and the further conclusion that that cross-linguistic observation constitutes a class
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There are many articles I consider pointless (on wrestlers, comics, monster trucks, college athletes), but those are not under discussion here. Besides, your comment refers to what might be considered a new article, and mine refers to a different one. The point of the "first" article still escapes
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Browsing is an encyclopedic use. Finding unexpected and interesting things has always been a very major use of encyclopedias. A list of words like this, though it might also fit as a supplement to a dictionary, is also appropriate in an encyclopedia--especially in Uncle G adds some discussion.
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since this list is problematic, to say the least, beginning with the title, and the indefinite article in it. The lead can't make up its mind as to what it is, and the list does not clarify. If this is going to be a list of all meaningful sounds in all languages--what would be the point?
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The notability of this grouping is not established. Why not another list of words which are made of two phonemes, three phonemes, and so on? We then have lists of every word but
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