979:'d to be a decent article, good article really considering the subject, but let's delete it anyway because reasons" isn't great. Yeah I get what you all are saying but I don't agree. We have a whole honkin' lot or rules and guidelines, they are supposed to help not hinder making an encyclopedia... let's see, article's existed for 16 years, it has... shuffle shuffle... 7 views a day so... 16x365x7=40,000 readers have accessed this article...so just answer me this: "For the 7 people a day who are searching on the term "momints", instead of going to this article they get a 404, and this would improve their experience because ______________". What goes in the blank?
951:. I know other, possibly worse, articles exist on this website, but that is none of my concern. Their notability may or may not be challenged at some point, but that has no outcome on whether this article's topic is notable. Your personal philosophy on deletion is, of course, welcome, but hardly relevant to the discussion at hand. My comments may seem dismissive, but the guidelines exist for a reason. Arguing for or against them here is scarcely pertinent to whether or not this article gets deleted or not. To clarify, my previous reply is in regards to
930:, I already told you this is a dead horse (OTHERSTUFF etc.). This article may be salvageable, the system works, no need to rant about it. Orcaguy identified a weak, borderline article and started a discussion that may result in this being improved - the jury is still out, IMHO this is very borderline. We all helped here, one way or another, no need to complain about anything. The system works.
358:- dead horse, etc. Bundle noms are a mess. Let's discuss Momints and see if we can rescue them - or not. After that discussion is finished, we can look at the next article from the series of 35. And so on and on. It's not like we need to hurry, and asking editors to look at 1 article at a time is better than asking them to look at few dozen which would scare most away.
333:. Some of those are stronger than this article, but a lot aren't; and I suppose that this article could be strengthened if anyone wants to. So it doesn't really make sense to just kind of thrash around in the category and delete parts of it at random. We want to take a more holistic approach to curating this subject, I think. Either do a
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516:. I am going to withdraw my weak delete and abstain as I think this is very borderline. There is a decent amount of non-indepth coverage and hints that there may be a second in-depth source, just not easily available online. And the product is defunct, so no spam concerns here (anymore, at least).
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Momints " captured chain - wide distribution at 7 - Eleven and for a short period of time they proved to be the number one mover in that particular piece of the category because of a lack of competition
579:. Thank you for improving the article, but as it stands, there is only one reference used in the article with significant coverage, whereas the other one mentions the product in passing, not enough to establish notability.
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