780:. Article has been expanded with foreign language references which we can probably AGF and now at least mildly asserts the subject's notability, through I will comment that I find it very said that we cannot resolve such issues in a friendly and civil manner, instead of retorting to personal attacks and threats. The battleground mentality some display here is rather sad, particularly considering the major problem of spam Knowledge is facing (and some spam creators have learned to game the system well, using fake offline/foreign language references, knowing that very few people will have the time and will to try to verify them). Given the surprising level of vehemence, one has to wonder if some people creating an defending this type of articles aren't undisclosed paid editors, whose livelihood is being threatened... now this is something to consider at ANI, indeed. --
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840:. From my end, I see that you are only trying to help, I wish you'd return the favor and address me in a less combative terms. As for what companies do, well, there's also the common case of a boss telling their employee to simply write a yellow pages-like entry for Knowledge, among many other possibilities. --
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Again, it seems a bit hypocritical to talk about "combativeness" and "AGF" given your above response to me and your bizarre comment about paid editors and fake foreign sources. If you hadn't responded the way you did on Friday, no one else would have needed to respond. I will try to take a look at
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Furthermore, I think it would be a bad idea to talk about "BEFORE" in cases like this. Matsuya may be one of the better-known Tokyo department stores, but it is still a relatively local institution, certainly not as well-known as the homonymous fast food chain nationwide. Maybe not even in the 23
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unsourced one-sentence sub-stubs and to ask me to fix those articles as a compromise for you withdrawing this nomination after you refused to do it when you should have done it on Friday. (BTW, as far as I've seen the bigger problem with AFDs on
Japanese companies is stuff like
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and failed to perform even perfunctory searches for sources before nominating articles for deletion, and stubbornly refused to withdraw them even after numerous sources have been presented. I've just recently dealt with the user's similarly irresponsible AFDs for
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There are lots of shitty articles on this website. Very few en.wiki editors know anything about
Japanese topics, and those who do ... have to put up with a lot of BS from POV-pushers, loons, and worse (part of why I'm not around as much as I used to be;
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one of the largest, oldest and most important department stores in Japan. No I don't have dozens of refs to hand, and no I'm not volunteering to spend half my weekend chasing around trying to build and source the article more fully. But
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