1485:"The transliteration process was a delicate one, given the long history of disasters attending the rendition of foreign names in Chinese. Mr. Ng decided to capture the sound of "McDonald's," in three homophonic characters, rather than create a name that would convey meaning-thus making the company appear to be a Chinese enterprise. Many local people reacted badly when Kentucky Fried Chicken first entered the Hong Kong market and chose a Chinese name that meant, literally, "Hometown Chicken." "Kentucky is certainly not my hometown," one longtime resident exclaimed. (KFC later dropped this name and began using a transliterated title based on sound rather than literal meaning.) Hong Kong McDonald's hoped to avoid confusion by adopting a version of the three-character phrase
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1063:, and the intended conclusion is that it is non-notable. Since this subject doesn't meet GNG, and doesn't meet the relevant SNG, as explained by other advocates of deletion it is non-notable. Like Rusf10, I find the Oriental Daily text to be mere promotional padding. It's on a page that advertises real estate. The heading translates as "Luxury House Guide: McDonald's Road has many luxury houses to choose from". "McDonaldâs/McDonald road" content from the museum source is a pretty pointless factoid. If these are such excellent finds, we should be able to incorporate some of the information into the article, right? But would any of it make the article better? (No.)
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available in the article, we can't do much more than make basic descriptions of the street and then say who it's named after. I'm not convinced there's a better ATD to deletion here either, since there are other MacDonnell Roads (though surprisingly fewer than I would have thought), though I have no problem with including this on the article of the person who the street was named after.
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Kong people would also translate the
English name Donald into "Dang Slave", so some people would sometimes write "McDonald". According to James L. Watson, a former guest professor of anthropology at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, in his book, McDonaldâs in Hong Kong considered using the word "slave" to avoid confusion with McDonaldâs Road."
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for suitable ones. In addition to the open-plan units of single nobles, there are also large mansions with a single-storey area of ââabout 4,500 square feet. Therefore, there are many celebrities and rich people. Even the family of Hong Kong's top richest
Henderson (00012) Chairman Lee Shau Kee has lived on McDonald's Road for about 30 years.
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Kennedy Road in the east. It has a geographical advantage. Although the McDonaldâs Road Association is reminiscent of an American fast food chain, it is actually irrelevant. Its name comes from the sixth Hong Kong Governor McDonald's (Richard Graves MacDonnell).
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I'd just like to clarify that I thought the malaria anecdote was an 'excellent find' since the BMJ wouldn't be the first source that comes to mind for finding information on Hong Kong roads, and I found the factoid rather interesting. In terms of WP:SIGCOV, I agree that it falls quite a ways short of
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This article isn't about those leases, though, which might be worth their own article - it's about a road, and in spite of the 26 references in the article, not only are most primary references to historical Hong Kong documents (and therefore original research), there's not a single one that actually
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per Cunard's alternate proposal - I'm not enthralled by the coverage presented above. Cunard contends that it isn't simply local real-estate coverage, as the history of the road is discussed as well, but in all honesty it still reads to me like normal real-estate coverage with a few historical blurbs
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1. This book is a directory of places in Hong Kong and the things named after them. It includes a total of two sentences about the road, the second one only noting that it "may be misspelled" and some information about MacDonnell the person, the line about developing
Victoria Peak is a near copyvio.
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Whether you care or not about the 999-year leases is your personal choice. They happen to be uncommon and represent a very special type of lease in Hong Kong. I am confident that scholarly analysis of this type of lease exist, and explain why they are important. Hopefully some other people will care
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McDonaldâs Road, Mid-Levels
Central, which is only a few minutesâ drive away from the central business district, is one of the closest luxury estates in the Central District. Although most of the luxury homes along the street are stratified, the unit size and spacing options are diversified, except
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The shear number of sources that are not secondary sources which contain significant coverage and are reliable and independent of the subject about the road itself does not add up to significant coverage by secondary sources which contain significant coverage and are reliable and independent of the
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This is the sort of AfD that is going to draw complaints regardless of how it is closed. I suspect that is why it was left open so long after the date it was meant to be closed. I am taking this on and I am giving it the attention it deserves. I see that a lot of effort has been put into the debate
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Comment. A search for "MacDonnell Road" in the database for past SCMP editions (on ProQuest, available via the HK Central
Library if you do want to check) returns ~25000 results, of which ~19000 are ads or standalone photos. Many of the rest are notices indicating (e.g.) water rationing, let/sale,
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Nobody said it was proscriptive. I cited it because it is actually the applicable guideline (not GEOFEAT) and it means that roads like this must have very good sourcing to be considered notable as opposed to an
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is a major financial newspaper. These articles discuss MacDonnell Road's significance and history. A non-notable street would not have its significance and history discussed in major newspapers. I don't consider major newspapers' discussion of the road's history and significance to be promotional.
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There's nothing unreliable about that book, and I am not implying there is; I believe that maps to #5 above. When I say "not a single one passes GNG," I mean that we need at least a couple reliable, secondary, independent sources which significantly cover the road in order to show notability, and
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This is absurd, roads in Hong Kong are not automatically more notable than roads in the rest of the world. Notability is also not transferred from buildings on the street to the street itself. Notability has not been proven. And your opinion about the relist is irrelevant since it went through a
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MacDonnell Road (MacDonnell Road) is adjacent to the bustling business district of the
Central District, and is also close to the leisure hotspot Soho District (SOHO), making it an ideal residence for office workers in the Central District. The street is less than one kilometer in length. It is
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due to failing notability requirements. As always my talk page is open but it is not for rehashing the arguments in this AfD, but rather for discussing the closure itself. I fully expect about half of the participants to be unhappy about this outcome but that was going to happen no matter how I
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The coverage, to me, either simply describes real estate on the road or doesn't really say anything more than the obvious apart from linking its name to the person it was named after, i.e. neither actually really discuss the street's significance. Based on the sources found and those currently
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No indication this is more than a generic road, without significant coverage about it specifically. The above comment is ridiculous, as of course any densely populated area will have scores of roads with many people and features in the vicinity, which do not bestow notability to every strip of
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Hong Kong roads have populations of thousands, so they are much more significant than the average street in the world. There are a number of important places on this road. SO notability is provable. Relist seems a waste of time as no one whatsoever supported the delete in the original AFD.
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the usual "presumed notable" formulation works like this with regard to SNGs: If the subject doesn't meet GNG, it's only shot at notability is meeting the pertinent SNG criteria, and if it does, then it is presumed notable, but it may still be concluded (through consensus) that it is
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A detailed look at the sources were made in the AfD and it was found that they we composed of directories, mere mentions, primary sources, undergraduate theses, or cover the topic of buildings or people that lived on the road rather than the road itself.
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First off when considering arguments based in policy I see that there is about equal support for both keep and delete. The primary source of disagreement seems to be regarding if the sources meet the standard of notability so that I where I will focus.
1581:'excellent'. Risking going off topic here, but on second thought malaria was endemic in Hong Kong until the 1960s so perhaps it isn't that much of a surprise that a residential road through a mountainside would be a ripe breeding ground for mosquitos.
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23. This is a review of planning decisions in Hong Kong and only references the street because there were two cases regarding buildings on that street. However, it references many different streets in Hong Kong and doesn't demonstrate
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to be notable, you must prove its notability. What part of that don't you understand? And then you tell me that GEOROAD is irrelevant, but somehow you think that GEOFEAT is relevant, even though it has nothing to do with
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incorporated to make the subject interesting. None of it seems to go much further than historical fun facts, unless I'm missing something. Still worth mentioning, but maybe just not necessitating an entire article. /
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notable. Most major streets or streets of special interest in any laerge city will be notable . We can interpret significant coverage to meet the situation--the material in the article shows the importance.
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May I suggest that you actually read the article and go through the refs. Your statement "not only are most primary references" is inaccurate. Positive suggestions/ contributions would also be useful.
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Unfortunately it still is not sourced well enough for our notability guidelines. The malaria note considered an excellent find just lists the name of the road in parentheses, for instance.
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