334:, the league (Proliga Portugal) for which the player is playing is considered as the second most important basketball league in Portugal . The page for CA queluz has not been updated since a while ,below I have given a brief info about the team.Until 2007 CA Queluz played in Liga Portuguesa de Basquetebol I DivisĆ£o which is considered as the third league in Portugal.On October 2020 , CA Queluz started playing in the Proliga .On 24 October 2020 ,Marcus Patterson played his first game in the Proliga where he played for his team CA Queluz.
1093:(6) My conclusion on a further review: Your AfD nomination was made in good faith and raises legitimate concerns about "blackhat" sites. However, this is an athlete who has an interesting story - climbing from The Bronx and Division III to potential rookie of the year in Portugal. That story has garnered significant attention, and even excluding the "blackhat" sites that you highlighted, the coverage remains significant and warrants a "keep" determination.
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I have not conflated anything. Nor am I arguing that sponsored advertisements count toward notability. It appears that you have fallen into the trap (one that it's easy for all of us do at time) of digging in your heels rather than keeping an open mind to coverage that may have been overlooked at the
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Just because a genrically trustable source publishes it doesn't mean that every piece is reliable and more importantly, you are conflating reliability with independent coverage. You're trying to argue that press releases and sponsored advertisements make for independent coverage and you're quite
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1202:), a website where you can apparently pay someone on Fiverr.com to write an article about you. Same goes for Mid-Day. Actually, most of these sites that have articles about him are the same sites you can pay someone on fiverr.com an article about you on.
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simply 100% wrong. Being interesting doesn't make one notable and I am not going to elaborate on this for an administrator. Your reading of my tone is irrelevant. Cheers.
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