709:- I disagree with the removal of sourced information from an article without a general consensus just because you have a different POV, even if it is correct. With that being said, the patent is clearly for passenger rail cars. Was it modified to work in automobiles? I don't know. Someone have any sources where it says it was modified and used? --
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They’re complete dreck. Factually wrong, unsourced, and possibly wikicircular. The idea that this had anything to do with modern auto heaters is simply wrong, and any source that doesn’t understand that is suspect...at very best. It was a rather poor attempt to design something suitable heating for
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The sourcing is not ideal, but is sufficient for establishing her notability because it shows secondary sources providing significant coverage of her. What type of car that the patent is for is not relevant. What matters is that sources establish her invention as being the basis for modern car
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Looking through the sourcing, I can see no real proof of notability. The little that shows merely supports that she received several patents...some of which I would be very, very surprised if they were ever produced. The sourcing generally led back to online advertising, not scholarly work.
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Which is to say the “sources” named are completely wrong. You can, in fact, read the patent and see that her system, such as it is, uses fuel, not engine heat, and that the innovation is a very, very, very particular way of running a hot water pump. No OR about it; just read the ur-source.
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Margaret Wilcox, correct name, time period, and location. Margaret Wilcox did not invent all car heaters, she invented the concept of using the engine's heat to heat passengers. This is well established by the sources. For the second source, the
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760:- I'm not sure about this article yet; part of the problem is if the patents were successful and documented, they're likely to be done so in 100+ year old newspaper pieces which will be incredibly difficult to find. I note that the article was created as part of a
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The essential problem here is that we have an article about a (mythical) significant inventor, when the real subject is an internet hoax. That’s why the article is sourced largely to advertising. Admen (and adwomen, of course) love glurge. It’s catchy and it’s
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Three sources that claim she invented automobile heaters, when the patent clearly shows her system, such as it is, was intended for railcars and streetcars....and not just any of them, but only for the decreasing minority with fixed axles.
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