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539:- I copied the article content from the preceding AFD, but won't be able to do anything with it -- not my bailiwick, no sources, etc. However, I will note that any historical figure of 150 years who has survived by name in a few list-type sources is likely sourced elsewhere, and especially given the reams of scholarship on the US Civil War -- really, rivers of ink have been spilled on this -- I would imagine the article could ultimately be sourced. There's no deadline, and so my inclination would be to keep this one tagged, add it to relevant wikiprojects, and hang in there. There's no deadline and no compelling reason to delete it -- no BLP issues, no vanity concerns, no spam concerns, no vandalism or troll-magnet issues. -- 503:, that is a list not of women who are notable, but of women with Knowledge (XXG) articles. Notice that every line links somewhere? The reason she's not listed there isn't (necessarily) a lack of notability, but that nobody's added her since she got her own article. Anyway, I stand by my "vote" of VERY WEAK Keep, but absolutely agree that this is not enough currently to keep around; I just would like to see someone improve it drastically (and if not, PROD it in a few months). 155:
enough, granted) to the article so others can use them (and back-reference them through their references). The "woman who dressed as a man in order to serve her country" is a significant situation itself (I said significant, not notable), and I think that this article and others like it could have
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Don't thank me - I've made rather a bloomer. The footnote in question actually covers a discussion of two different women discovered before seeing combat, and only the last of the references is to Mary Burns. I've reworked the article and I think it's now about as full as it's ever going to be.
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really talks about weight of information within a particular article; information tending to be given undue weight in a way that creates a non-neutral POV. Concerns about a more notable topic not yet being included while less notable topics are included are not undue weight -- in some instances
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potential. I'd like to see this end, ideally, in a "no consensus" for the time being and, if the article isn't improved within 3-6 months, then PROD or AfD it out then. There could be potential here; that's really all I'm saying.
617: 613: 598: 173:. I think it would be a shame to lose this information- someone whose name is still known after all this time... Perhaps there would be an appropriate merge target? Something like 87: 82: 114: 91: 499:(and series...at least fill them!), I can see where a one-sentence by two-reference "article" could be seen as a legitimate keep. As for the inclusion or exclusion in the 74: 315: 624:"masquerading as a man" is a problem, but my own feeling is that one-off notability still being “noted” over 100 years later is quite sufficient for our purposes. -- 121:
We'll try this again. Non-notable, no references except a brief mention in a couple books. The previous version that survived AfD had several comments that
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and I think this is definitely it. As the sources show there were many more significant instances of disguised women soldiers who actually fought. --
202:. This is so minor (she never fought) and the sources are so brief that I'm reluctant to have a whole article. There's a point at which this is 78: 17: 691: 670: 655: 633: 583: 548: 531: 512: 455: 424: 400: 373: 352: 330: 297: 279: 237: 214: 190: 165: 142: 70: 62: 56: 488: 178: 49: 247: 492: 449: 394: 273: 136: 709: 36: 258:. How many individual articles of two sentences do we need for this subject? Shouldn't this encyclopedia stick to 708:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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and other tags could garner attention and help of others. That's why I think keep is warranted (though weak).
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that in its turn cites 5 contemporary newspaper reports and a history book from 1911 (Ethel Alice Hurn,
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said in a lucid and eloquent manner what I try and fail to say in my unlucid, uneloquent way. No
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people? This woman didn't even make it to fight but was discovered before the company left! --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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reason to delete, and there probably are / ought to be some sources out there.
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requires "significant coverage in multiple third-party reliable sources. --
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they're systemic bias, but not in the way you're suggesting, I think. --
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Hmm. That doesn't really work for me; it just seems like a straight
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I don't think that this woman was notable enough to be included in
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argument. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I think. --
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They Fought Like Demons: Women Soldiers in the American Civil War
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Category:Female wartime crossdressers in the American Civil War
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better when folks have done research on the issue at hand. --
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Thank you for this research! It makes *FD discussions
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Women in the American Civil War
Secret
18:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Mary Burns (US Civil War soldier)
Mary Burns (US Civil War soldier)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Mary Burns
SatyrTN
talk
contribs
16:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:R
VigilancePrime
talk
16:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Missouri Militia Cavalry
Women in the American Civil War
J Milburn
talk

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