488:-- Every encyclopedia topic isn't so easy to pigeon-hole into the NPOV, fully-cited paradigm. The subject matter almost necessitates that anything written will be a POV. Should the article be restricted to fully-cited POVs of professional philosophers and theologians? It does not do badly in this respect, although I am not sure that those "authorities" are the last word on the matter. Despite the enormous challenges, I think the article should not be abandoned or the subject matter ignored by Knowledge (XXG). --
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on so vast a topic. The article began before our policies on sourcing took their current shape. It has long consisted of a series of claims that scientists, humanists, theists, etc. think a certain way, generally sourced to at most one opinion-maker. It doesn't seem possible to construct an article
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into four linked articles: "Mol (philosophy)", "Mol (science)", "Mol (religion)", "Mol (whatever you call common culture material)". I think that this would reduce the POV material, or at least allow it to be more easily contained, because it would encourage more topic directed contributions, and
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I'm not even sure what topic could have more notability. I have a great deal of interest in the subject, and I would consider taking on this article as a personal improvement project. It is certainly a citation nightmare, but I think it can be saved; consider it a therapy of sorts.
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I think the biggest problem is that it just needs to be about a third as long. I like my philosophy and all, but everyone needs to go off and find the meaning of life for themselves, and this article should act like one big sign post.
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